Talk:Lovely's Purchase

A fact from Lovely's Purchase appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 21 April 2023 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that President James Monroe promised the eastern Cherokee a "gateway to the setting sun" where they were not "surrounded by the White man", which resulted in the creation of Lovely's Purchase?

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The result was: promoted by Bruxton (talk) 20:32, 7 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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... that President James Monroe had promised an exclusive "gateway to the setting sun – where they were not surrounded by the White man" to the eastern Cherokee that resulted in the creation of Lovely's Purchase? Source: Gabler, Ina (1960). "Lovely's Purchase and Lovely County". The Arkansas Historical Quarterly. 19 (1): 31–39. doi:10.2307/40038035. ISSN 0004-1823. JSTOR 40038035.
- ALT1: ... that Lovely's Purchase, set in the early Arkansaw Territory, was created as a buffer zone to separate the adversarial Cherokee and Osage Indian Nations? Source: "Encyclopedia of Arkansas". Encyclopedia of Arkansas. Retrieved 2023-01-23. "Osage territory passed to Cherokees through Lovely's Purchase". Muskogee Phoenix. Retrieved 2023-01-23.
- ALT2: ... that President James Monroe had promised the Cherokee tribes an exclusive "gateway to the setting sun ... where they were not surrounded by the White man" that resulted in the creation of Lovely's Purchase in what is today Oklahoma and Arkansas? Source: Gabler, Ina (1960). "Lovely's Purchase and Lovely County". The Arkansas Historical Quarterly. 19 (1): 31–39. doi:10.2307/40038035. ISSN 0004-1823. JSTOR 40038035.
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Created by GenQuest (talk). Self-nominated at 15:00, 29 January 2023 (UTC). Note: As of October 2022, all changes made to promoted hooks will be logged by a bot. The log for this nomination can be found at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Lovely's Purchase, so please watch a successfully closed nomination until the hook appears on the Main Page.[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook eligibility:

Cited:
Interesting:
Other problems: - Where is hook 1? See comments below. GenQuest ^"scribble"

QPQ: Done.

Overall: @GenQuest: Good article, but I can't seem to find the first hook anywhere in the article.

Onegreatjoke: See first sentence in the "Background" sub-section. GenQuest ^"scribble" 02:59, 4 February 2023 (UTC) Onegreatjoke (talk) 02:33, 4 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I see Onegreatjoke (talk) 02:59, 4 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I added and additional ALT that I think reads better than the first. GenQuest ^"scribble" 18:03, 18 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@GenQuest: I wanted to promote this but was wondering why the last sentence of the "Major Lovely" paragraph didn't have a citation...thought it was probably an easy fix...then found that I can't seem to find a source referring to Lovely's multi-step purchase starting in 1813? I don't doubt that it exists somewhere, but I'm not seeing it in the Agnew article, in the Encyclopedia of Arkansas, or Muskogee Phoenix. Cielquiparle (talk) 03:22, 28 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Cielquiparle: I fixed the confusion and mixed-up dates. Thanks for pointing it out. GenQuest ^"scribble" 21:43, 28 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Status please? GenQuest ^"scribble" 13:26, 13 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

GenQuest I haven't had a chance to re-review the article line by line, as that would take some time, but I haven't blocked it from being promoted either, so if it looks ok to another editor, it could still get promoted by someone else in the meantime. (Regardless, it generally takes a long time for hooks to get promoted, unless the hook is so amazing that everyone is clamoring to promote it first.) Cielquiparle (talk) 16:11, 13 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Request for Second Opinion: Pinging: Flibirigit, or Onegreatjoke, or Aoidh, or Narutolovehinata5, or Muboshgu. I believe these articles (see Buchanan's Station; Template:Did you know nominations/Buchanan's Station as well) are well beyond the threshold for DYK criteria and advancement, and are being held to a much higher standard than necessary: this is not a Good Article review. They have been held up long enough, and I can't keep spending my limited editing time jumping through moving hoops on either of them. Can someone please pass them? Thanks, GenQuest ^"scribble" 20:17, 15 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

My general feeling is that this article is in better shape than the other one (on Buchanan's Station), following the fixes mentioned above which hopefully resolved the failed verification and missing citation issues. I would also appreciate another reviewer to look at this closely, and provide a green tick mark if it looks ok. Thanks in advance. Cielquiparle (talk) 20:35, 15 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: I prefer the first hook. BorgQueen (talk) 16:30, 5 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

oops the hook is 208 characters Bruxton (talk) 20:36, 7 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I reworded and promoted ALT0 to change it from 208 characters to 194

ALT0a ... that President James Monroe promised the eastern Cherokee a "gateway to the setting sun – where they were not surrounded by the White man" and that resulted in the creation of Lovely's Purchase? Bruxton (talk) 20:40, 7 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]