Talk:Love Has Won

A fact from Love Has Won appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 11 June 2021 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that in April 2021, the body of the founder of the new religious movement Love Has Won was found mummified and wrapped in Christmas lights?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2021/June. The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Love Has Won.

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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Desertarun (talk) 15:11, 5 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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... that the leader of Love Has Won proclaimed that she had been reincarnated as Jesus, Joan of Arc, Marilyn Monroe and Cleopatra? Source: "She told Dr. Phil that her past lives include Joan of Arc, Marilyn Monroe and Cleopatra; she claimed to have full memory of her lives, including being hung on the cross as Jesus" https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/05/05/cult-love-has-won-carlson/
- ALT1:... that the leader of Love Has Won proclaimed that Donald Trump was her father? Source: "She also made several outlandish claims: that former president Donald Trump is her father" https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/05/05/cult-love-has-won-carlson/
  - ALT2 ... that the members of Love Has Won believed that their leader would lead 144,000 people into the "5th dimension"? Source: "Ms Carlson - Mother God - is believed by her group to be 19 billion years old and to have birthed all of creation. Despite her age, the members also believe she is the child of former president Donald Trump. They believe she exists at a "higher consciousness level" than normal humans, and will eventually lead a group of 144,000 people into the "fifth dimension" in some sort of ascendant journey." https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/colorado-corpse-love-has-won-b1842127.html

Reviewed: I have had only 1 prior DYK Credit for Megaceroides algericus

Created by Hemiauchenia (talk). Self-nominated at 01:33, 9 May 2021 (UTC).[reply]

Article hits on size and newness. I did a little copyediting of the wording in the history section, including tweaks to the "cult" description which is always contentious. Sourcing is solid and thorough, however a few issues give me pause. The phrasing "told The Daily Beast he had been expecting his mother's death" is directly from the Daily Beast article and should be reworded to avoid copyright concerns. Same with the phrase "a fixed set of beliefs, instead" from the BBC article (yes, I am a CV stickler). Also, right now the article states in Wikipedia's voice that the death might have been due to colloidal silver, but out of an abundance of caution, particularly since it hasn't been officially ruled yet, I would reword that to say who exactly has suggested that.
IMO the current hooks are not that uniquely interesting - lots of people have made wackadoo claims about their ancestry or past lives. I don't know if it would be prohibited by rules against hooks based on negative info about BLPs, but to me the most interesting and hook-worthy things about this article are a) the leader being found as a Christmas-light-draped glitter mummy just recently, and b) the fact that they were driven out of Hawaii by locals after a mini-riot. If we do stick with the current suite of hooks, I think they should be tweaked to include a brief description of "Love Has Won" for context - something like "new religious movement Love Has Won" would be fine. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 23:49, 16 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hemiauchenia, you've been editing the article but haven't responded here in nearly a week. Any thoughts? ♠PMC♠ (talk) 02:01, 22 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Premeditated Chaos: Sorry about the late response. I think a hook about the Hawaii story would be good, though I haven't come up with an exact wording. Hemiauchenia (talk) 14:59, 26 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

ALT3 ... that the new religious movement Love Has Won left the island of Kauai after its leader claimed to be the Hawaiian goddess Pele?
ALT4 ... that in April 2021, the body of the founder of the new religious movement Love Has Won was found mummified and wrapped in Christmas lights?

I'm not sure if either hook would meet WP:BDP but ALT4 may be safer since it doesn't actually describe something that Carlson did, but rather what happened to her after her death. I actually thought ALT0 was fairly interesting, but again BDP. Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 02:52, 31 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I'm partial to either of ALT3 or ALT4; you're more experienced with the BDP requirements for DYK, so whichever you think would be policy-compliant. Would you prefer to I take it to DYK talk for a review? ♠PMC♠ (talk) 14:58, 31 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I think that would be fine but personally I think ALT4 is the safer option. Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 15:16, 31 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Then let's call it for ALT4. The remainder of my concerns above have been addressed. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 15:19, 31 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

A possible successor organization?

Is www.lovehaswon.co.uk a successor organization?

They host frequently events like https://www.eventbrite.com/e/how-to-heal-sexual-trauma-how-to-appropriately-deal-with-lust-tickets-845854963967, where "Agape will teach you the very easy and quick methods of healing sexual trauma and appropriately dealing with lust once and for all. Agape is an expert at healing one's self, and uses the wisdom gained from his own self-healing journey".

And all that in 30mins! Spinozerus (talk) 13:42, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I've done a brief look and I think they're unrelated but just happen to use the same name. The main Love Has Won splinter, 5D Full Disclosure, seems to be still active. Hemiauchenia (talk) 13:56, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

https://www.lovehas1joyrains2.com/ is the real successor Mtert (talk) 03:52, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of known members, and their titles

what the title says. idk if it would go against their privacy tho. 104.129.64.34 (talk) 19:43, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

See WP:BLPPRIVACY and WP:BLPNAME. Members that are heavily covered in secondary sources like Jason are fine to include (and already covered), but listing every member would be undue. Jamedeus (talk) 23:41, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]