Talk:List of terrorist incidents in 2020

Proposed merge

After cleaning up the separate pages for each month to comply with the inclusion criteria determined by this RfC, the individual lists are so short that there is no need to have separate ones for each month. I propose that the lists for the months be merged into a single list for the year. TompaDompa (talk) 22:27, 29 July 2020 (UTC)

I disagree - there are still enough for each month to have a separate article. Jim Michael (talk) 11:08, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

I mean, barely – April and July have one attack each, and none of them have more than five. The point is not that they are too short to exist but that they are not long enough to motivate a split in the first place. It's a bit silly to split this page by month when the 1986 article looks like this. TompaDompa (talk) 17:23, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

I went ahead with the merge. Now all the lists are single years. TompaDompa (talk) 09:28, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

Proposed change to rules

I feel like we should change the rules to include terrorist attacks that don't have their own stand alone article ,for example an attack in May in south Sudan that killed over 200 people[1] was removed because it wasn't notable enough. That don't make any sense. The terrorist attacks pages are useless now, they may as well be removed if were going to just have attacks that only have their own Wikipedia page, this is the reason why https://storymaps.arcgis.com/stories/dcbb5c9e009442b99944bd1ef6158bda shut down, the pages are no longer a catalog of terrorist attack. their are only 5 attacks a month now. what good does that serve if they all already have their own Wikipedia page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Garmin21 (talk • contribs) 19:31, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

I think that terrorist incidents that are notable enough for their own articles should be included. Even if they're not, these pages are still useful to find articles. Jim Michael (talk) 09:22, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

@Garmin21: that source doesn't mention terrorism. Perhaps that one was removed because it wasn't eligible for that reason, even if it did have an article. Having an article helps other editors scrutinise the event more thoroughly to see if it was confirmed terrorism and who the confirmed perps were, to see if it really belongs in this list. For that reason, I oppose removing that condition for entry into this list. -- DeFacto (talk). 09:45, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

Terrorism is a definition "The unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims." Massacres committed by ethnic Militias for the reason of destabilizing the state or wiping out a another ethnic group. by definition it is terrorism, and any attack committed by a UN recognized terrorist groups like ISIS, Al-Qaeda, exc is considered terrorism. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Garmin21 (talk • contribs) 12:30, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

@Garmin21: that is 'original research' and is against Wikipedia's WP:OR policy. We should only add an event to these lists if it is described by a consensus of reliable sources as "terrorism". -- DeFacto (talk). 12:46, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

I've tracked around 94 terrorist attack in July killing 840 people around out of which 51 attacks killing 281 people were done by Internationally recognized terrorist groups. The fact that none of the 840 people that died are even mentioned or recognized on a LIST of terror attack is just absurd to me. notable can't just mean have its own article their has to be other definitions for notability we can use to include at least some of the 94 attacks that have happened this month alone.

I find it quite concerning that terrorist attacks that don't have their own Wikipedia article were essentially culled from this very article makes no logical sense. Some attacks have had dozens or even hundreds of deaths and/or injuries and they're removed as they're "not notable". Were they not notable due to the fact that someone didn't make an article about the attack? In regards to the new RfC, why was it only done now and not a year ago when the discussion was taking place? With the discussion of reliable sources, what would be considered one? I assume news sources but it's quite vague as users will have differing opinions on what is and what isn't. I'm quite concerned that the edit and changing of the criteria was performed by essentially one user as it'll cause potential edit conflicts on what is and what's not part of the criteria, which doesn't help that opinions are quite divided on the subject matter. It's a grey area and the fact that TompaDompa has done it all on his own for such an important article makes me very, very concerned. Nintenga (talk) 16:34 9 August 2020 (UTC)

In regards to the new RfC, why was it only done now and not a year ago when the discussion was taking place? I don't follow. Are you asking why the cleanup didn't happen immediately? the fact that TompaDompa has done it all on his own for such an important article makes me very, very concerned How so? Maybe I can assuage your worries. TompaDompa (talk) 18:46, 9 August 2020 (UTC)

Procedural note: The current inclusion criteria were the result of this RfC. They should not be changed without a new RfC. TompaDompa (talk) 17:38, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

Is this article not being updated for a reason or has it become the sole domain of a single person? Kgriff2002 (talk) 13:29, 23 August 2020 (UTC)kgriff2002.

If there is an attack that should be on the list but isn't, you can simply add it (assuming that it meets the inclusion criteria). TompaDompa (talk) 14:14, 23 August 2020 (UTC)

What a surprise that there have been NO terrorist attacks since 21 July 2020! My the world has become a peaceful place. This list used to be dependable for research work but no more. --Kgriff2002 (talk) 15:20, 15 September 2020 (UTC)kgriff2002

I completely agree with you but unfortunately TompaDompa has a strangle hold on this page, even attack that meet all the criteria have been deleted like the Jalalabad prison attack, so I just consider this page completely useless, if you want to see actual updated daily attacks just go to the Wikipedia current events. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Garmin21 (talk • contribs) 21:20, 18 September 2020 (UTC)

Stranglehold? Don't be ridiculous. Do a consensus of reliable sources refer to the Jalalabad prison attack as "terrorism", as required by the inclusion criteria determined by this RfC? The article itself cites two sources (this one and this one), neither of which uses the term "terrorism" at all. TompaDompa (talk) 21:47, 18 September 2020 (UTC)

https://news.un.org/en/story/2020/08/1069622 the UN say its terrorism therefore it is terrorism — Preceding unsigned comment added by Garmin21 (talk • contribs) 23:31, 21 September 2020 (UTC)

Well, there you go then. If that source had been cited when the attack was added to the list, there would have been no reason to remove the entry in the first place. But of course, it couldn't have been; the entry was added on 5 August and that source wasn't published until 6 August. Anyway, there's nothing stopping you from adding the attack to the list and citing that source. TompaDompa (talk) 05:19, 22 September 2020 (UTC)

ISWAP

Lukasvdb99, the page Boko Haram considers ISWAP as another name for the group. So I disagree with this edit.VR _talk 20:26, 23 September 2020 (UTC)

I know, but that article isn’t right. Boko Haram split in two factions. One became ISWAP and the other stayed Boko Haram. They share the article, but they’re not the same group. Lukasvdb99 20:33, 23 September 2020 (UTC)

Sources

I find it hard to understand that if a reputable source cites an attack or incident as terrorism then why is it not included here? What is the definition of a "reputable" source? Does it have to be a governmental agency or a media outlet that has been operating for many years? Conversation is correct here. It appears that this has become a "one person" domain with that person having the final say as to what is included or defined as terrorism. This page has become totally useless for research purposes. I guess that even if a "reputable" agency rules something at terrorism it may or may not be included, subject to one person's interpretation. In my opinion of course! kgriff2002. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kgriff2002 (talk • contribs) 20:27, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

Missing attacks

Should the February 2020 Quetta bombing, Jalalabad prison attack & Kumba school massacre be on this article? Jim Michael (talk) 12:09, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

Are they described by a consensus of reliable sources as "terrorism", as mandated by the inclusion criteria that were adopted as a result of this RfC? TompaDompa (talk) 18:15, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

2020 Reading stabbings

This does not meet the inclusion criteria, which require that a consensus of reliable sources describe it as "terrorism". That's not the case here. The closest we get is sources stating that he was arrested under Section 41 of the Terrorism Act 2000, but of course A living person accused of a crime is presumed innocent until convicted by a court of law. Accusations, investigations and arrests do not amount to a conviction. per WP:BLPCRIME.

Moreover, including it here would be a gross WP:BLPCRIME violation. Terrorism is a specific type of crime. The suspect is alive, and has not been convicted of terrorist crimes (nor even charged with terrorist crimes – he was charged with murder and attempted murder). Wikipedia's editors must not do the court's job of determining whether the suspect is guilty and of what, and deciding on our own that this was terrorism would be doing precisely that. I've removed it, and I'll note that this is covered under WP:NOT3RR as an exemption to the three-revert rule. TompaDompa (talk) 16:39, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

I totally agree with TompaDompa, there is nothing to support an assertion in Wikipedia's voice that this incident was terrorism, and certainly nothing supporting a link with any particular group. -- DeFacto (talk). 17:07, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

He was convicted of 3 murders & 3 attempts yesterday. Is it eligible for inclusion now, or should we wait until he's sentenced so that we know what is said regarding his motive(s)? Jim Michael (talk) 15:08, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

Do a consensus of WP:Reliable sources describe it as terrorism? Based on this BBC article, it would seem that the courts consider whether this was terrorism a question that has yet to be answered. TompaDompa (talk) 16:04, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

Jim Michael, has he pleaded guilty to, or been found guilty of, any terrorism offences? If not, I guess we need to wait to see what the judge says in summing up and sentencing. -- DeFacto (talk). 17:04, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

Kankara kidnapping

Reliable sources state that Boko Haram claim to be the perpetrators. There's speculation that BH hired a bandit group to do it, or that bandits did it and BH falsely claimed it, but we should include it as part of the Boko Haram insurgency, as most sources are doing. The disbelief that it was BH is primarily because this happened further west than they've previously been known to carry out attacks. However, they're known to have carried out attacks in nearby Kano. Jim Michael (talk) 13:39, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

January 2020 Ma'rib attack

I don't think the January 2020 Ma'rib attack should be on this list, it was an attack with a lot of coletral demage, yes, and a war crime, but not really an act of terrorism. there is a war in Yemen, and the opposing sides bomb each other, that's called war not terrorism, tho both are horrible, this list is just for terrorism Norschweden (talk) 16:45, 5 January 2021 (UTC)

That's a fair point, especially when the WP:LEAD explicitly says Ongoing military conflicts are listed separately. I removed it. TompaDompa (talk) 19:00, 5 January 2021 (UTC)

The Houthis appear to have been the perpetrators of the attack. They're unlawful combatants who are a designated terrorist group. Conflicts aren't listed on pages in this series, but terrorist attacks within conflicts are. Jim Michael (talk) 12:25, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

2020 Villejuif stabbing

This article was deleted per Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2020 Villejuif stabbing. As such it is ineigible for inclusion in this article, since all entries must have a standalone article. See the Rfc which determined this. FDW777 (talk) 06:59, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

Missing Attack Nashville bombing Dec 25, 2020

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_Nashville_bombing — Preceding unsigned comment added by 35.128.41.21 (talk) 12:30, 9 November 2021 (UTC)