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Forbes as a source for touring numbers

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Isn't Billboard and Pollstar the only reputable sources when it comes to modern tours? GustavoCza (talk • contribs) 17:54, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Actually Forbes estimation is way more conservative than Pollstar. Forbes's average gross for The Eras Tour is $15 million, while Pollstar's average is $17 million. I do agree that Billboard and Pollstar is the first choice for touring data, but Forbes is also a reliable source per WP:RSP. Bluesatellite (talk) 03:00, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
So Taylor Swift gets special treatment while other artists are neglected, got it. GustavoCza (talk • contribs) 03:24, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Coldplay's Music of the Spheres World Tour as the #1 highest-grossing tour of all time

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  • Billboard and Pollstar have never for once claimed Music of the Spheres World Tour as the highest-grossing tour of all time.
    • Billboard: Since its kick-off in March 2022, it has eclipsed $1 billion in concert grosses and sold almost 9.3 million tickets through Aug. 25. That makes it the highest grossing and bestselling rock tour in Boxscore history... The obvious asterisk is unreported figures for Taylor Swift’s ongoing The Eras Tour, likely closer to $2 billion than one now that its own 48-date European leg has wrapped, and approaching 10 million tickets itself.[1]
    • Pollstar: The “Music of the Spheres World Tour,” the highest grossing rock tour of all time, has surpassed the $1 billion threshold for a single tour with a $1.06 billion cumulative gross from 164 performances reported since its March 2022 launch.[2]
  • The Eras Tour grossed $1 billion based on only 60 shows in 2023 as per Pollstar. It's not like Swift paused her tour until August 2024, so Coldplay took the record for a while, it is not! By the time Coldplay hit $1 billion mark, The Eras Tour already completed 131 shows as of August 2024.
  • The average gross of The Eras Tour is $13.94 million per shows (official data), so by August 2024 the gross had been likely around $1.83 billion ($13.94 x 131 shows). Even if we significantly reduced the average gross to $10 million, the total gross would be $1.31 billion for 131 shows (still way more than Coldpay's $1 billion figure).

@GustavoCza: Let's put aside your fanatic behaviour for a while and use your healthy logic. I'm not even a Taylor Swift fan, no matter you twist the claim, fact is fact. Bluesatellite (talk) 01:47, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I already showed that multiple reliable sources – including one you used to put Swift at the top before she reported her numbers – refer to Coldplay as the former record holders. There's not a single outlet indicating how much she grossed with 131 shows either, your calculations are entering self-research territory. GustavoCza (talk • contribs) 09:56, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Other than that, it's funny being called a fanatic even though you're the one obsessed with making Coldplay look like failures. I brought sources every single step of the way, so don't act like I'm some dumb Twitter vibes stan. GustavoCza (talk • contribs) 10:16, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It's ironic that you use Pollstar and Billboard, but you deny the fact that both publications called Coldplay's tour as the "highest-grossing rock tour", not just "highest-grossing tour". You use figures from Billboard and Pollstar, yet desperately find secondary sources to justify the claim that favors your favorite artist. You said I am "obsessed with making Coldplay look like failures, like what? Having $1 billion grossing tour (the highest among any bands in history) is never a failure, and never did I try to minimize their accomplishment. I am not favoring any artists here. I care for the entire page. I always maintain a comprehensive number for every artist whenever available. Bluesatellite (talk) 10:37, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You want to talk about Pollstar and Billboard? Let's go then. Only three figures were made available:
  • $1.039 billion for Swift, published in December 2023.
  • $1.059 billion for Coldplay, published in August 2024.
  • $2.077 billion for Swift, published in December 2024.
Coldplay technically held the top spot for five months. That's why all the other publications I mentioned have cited them as the previous record holders, they are using Pollstar as a reference. This was intially recognised on the article too, until you put Taylor at number one based on estimates that Forbes made on their own, which in turn raises another question: how come Forbes' independent statements are valid but not one they are making backed by Pollstar? Accepting one and rejecting the other is essentially giving Swift special treatment. GustavoCza (talk • contribs) 18:34, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Just because it was not on boxscore, doesn't mean The Eras Tour was not the all-time highest-grossing tour in August 2024. Billboard stated Coldplay's figure was "unprecedented" in boxscore history, but at the same time they said that it's obvious that Swift was still leading with estimate likely closer to $2 billion. I'm not favoring any artist, I'm favoring fact. Bluesatellite (talk) 01:26, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If it's so "obvious" why have multiple sources referred to Coldplay as the former record holders? You claim not to favor anyone but gave more value to estimates from sources not backed by Billboard or Pollstar than to officially reported data. GustavoCza (talk • contribs) 02:56, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Born in The USA tour wrong Numbers correct is 80 million USD

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The official gross of Bruce Springsteens Born in The USA Tour was 80 million USD and its very well documented. WHO ever put a larger number is a fraud. 156 concerts in 16 months gave a gross of 80 million USD. The tour was unsucessfull and expensive in Japan and Australia. In Japan Springsteen played 8 concerts in different cities in front of only 5000 people. In Australia 5 concerts of 9000 people each were played in Sydney. In Europé there were some fiasco gigs as well. In Nice 20 000 tickets were sold to a 45 000 capacity stadium. In Montpellier 25 000 tickets were sold to a 50 000 capacity stadium. In Munich 37 000 tickets were sold to a 72 000 capacity stadium. While a sellout 2 concerts of 35 000 people in Newcastle could have been moved to a bigger stadium. Rotterdam had 45 000 tickets sold 2 nights in a 50 000 capacity stadium. The average attendance of 18 European concerts were 45 000 people. The NeXT tour The Tunnel of Love Express Tour was a lot more sucessfull financially. In only 67 concerts played during a 5 month tour Springsteen earned 60 million USD. Springsteen earned about the double amount of money a concert in 1988 than in 1985. Thats excluded the record guarantee fee he got in 1988 of 95 % of tickets sold as opposed to 55 % of tickets sold in 1984-1985. And its excluded merchandize. In 1984-1985 there were 3 merchandize items. In 1988 there were 15 merchandize items. The 3 that were sinilar cost the double amount in 1988 as in 1985. Merchandize money to Bruce 1988 were record High he earned incredibly much more in merchandize in 1988 than in 1985. Also the tickets were 7 USD more expensive in 1988 than in 1985. The fiasco concerts in southern France of only 20 000 people in Nice and 25 000 people in Montpellier were moved to Spain where he sold out 90 000 tickets in Europés biggest football stadium Camp Nou and 65 000 tickets in Madrids Estadio Vicente Calderone. The tickets were the fasters selling tickets in The History of Spain. In France he only played Paris in front of 80 000 people at the Hippodrome de Vincennes. In 1985 he ” only ” played to 60 000 people. In 1988 Springsteen set a record for concerts at Wembley Stadium with 80 000 people. The rest of the total of 24 Stadium concerts were in front of 50 000 to 70 000 people except for the legendary East Berlin concert were 500 000 people came to see Springsteen, tickets cost 20 East German marks. Springsteen had lowered his fee for just this concert to 1 million 340 000 East German marks which he as a celebrity changed to 1 million 340 000 West German marks. East Germany had The East German mark and the West German mark at 1:1. But that only included famous people no West German bank would have changed at 1:1 to someone WHO was not a celebrity like Springsteen. The East Berlin concert was the biggest gathering of people in East German history and the traffic Jan the day of the concert was the biggest in East German history as well. Many historians believe that the concert itself was the final nail in the coffin for the Berlin Wall. Springsteen told the crowd after having seen one of the 500 000 tickets sold where the East German government had put ” Bruce Springsteen a concert for Niauaragua ” instead of ” Bruce Springsteen The Tunnelf of Love Express tour ” as a vengance to The East German Gobernment ” I am not here for or against any gocdrnment I am here to play Rock’n’roll for you aeast Berliners in the hopes that soon the Wall Will fall”. 2 months after the concert President Erik Honnecker resigned and 15 months later the East German people rebelled and took down the Berlin wall. Before Springsteens 80 000 concert at The Hippodrome the Vincennes he was the main act in a Anti rasicm concert in front of 300 000 people. The average amount of people coming to the 24 European Stadium shows were 63 000 in comparisson to 40 000 people in average for the 18 European concerts in 1985. When Springsteen teeminated The Tunnel of Love Express tour in August 1988 he was 5 times richer than when he terminated the Born in The USA tour in October 1985. In October 1985 Springsteen had a net valurnor of 50 million USD and in August 1988 Springsteen had a Net value of 250 million USD. The 60 million USD gross tour with 50 million in merchandize he earned in 1988 was only parts of the 250 million he was worth in August 1988. He had been receiving royalties from AirPlay from October 1985 to August 1988 and he had been selling many million records between October 1985 to August 1988 ( Springsteen set up a new record deal in 1986 giving him 2 USD for sold record instead of the previous 1 USD ) he had released The Live 1975 to 1985 in January 1987 and he had released The 15 million Selling album Tunnel of Love in October 1987 with 3 big hit singles getting heavy AirPlay and giving Springsteen lots of royalty, while the old records continued to be sold and the old songs continued to give him royalties from the radio. He also had sold stocks to a very High profit So at the end of the Tunnel Of Love Express tour in August 1988 he was 5 times richer than in October 1985 according to Forbes. Forbes Said though that Springsteens fortune in August 1988 could be a lot higher than 250 million USD. The 50 million USad in October 1985 they were sure was completely correct. 213.89.228.75 (talk) 13:43, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

$80 million would still make it the highest-grossing tour of all time back in 1985 so what is exactly your point? GustavoCza (talk • contribs) 18:53, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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