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Mistakes in tamil list

Vishwaroopam -108.2 crore dashavatharam not in the list of 100 crore grossing southindian movies|all time top lifetime south WW boxoffice|andhraboxoffice|10 nov 2017| Please change to 7)lingaa - 154 crore |boxoffice:Rajani's lingaa enters 25th day vijays kaththi completes 75 days|ibtimes|5 jan 2015| 8) theri - 150 crore |theri boxoffice collection: vijay starrer collects over 150 crore worldwide|ibtimes|27 jul 2016| 9)kaththi - 130 crore |boxoffice: Rajani's Lingaa enters 25th day,Vijay's kaththi completes 75 days|ibtimes|5 jan 2015| 10)sivaji - 128 crore | Rajanikanth's overseas market doubles from sivaji|economic times| 23 oct 2010|

EAGLE EYE boxoffice analayser (talk) 21:05, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

please remove protection EAGLE EYE boxoffice analayser (talk) 15:03, 5 January 2018 (UTC)

What are we supposed to do with the details above? You've provided no actual references, i.e. links to the articles you want us to consider. When I search for "Rajani's lingaa enters 25th day vijays kaththi completes 75 days", I get this article, which quotes a gross of 140 crore for Lingaa, not the 154 crore you allege. And even if we could find a definitive source that supported a 154 crore gross for Lingaa, that would still be far below the sourced 172 crore total for Theri.

The fact that the data in the article doesn't coincide with your perspective on what the figures should be, does not automatically equate to "mistakes" in the article. Indian film financial details are not absolutes and should not be considered as such, and higher values for films you like doesn't necessarily mean that the film achieved those higher cited figures. Anyway, short story: This urgency to frantically manipulate box office figures is why the article is protected. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 15:33, 5 January 2018 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 8 January 2018

Please change the 'Worldwide gross' of 'Tiger Zindha Hai' from '₹478.96 crore (US$76 million) to ₹500 crore (US$ 78 million)' , the link is ' https://www.forbes.com/sites/robcain/2018/01/07/tiger-zinda-hai-tops-%E2%82%B9500-crore-78m-worldwide-gross/#73476e3e1fb5 ' .. 183.78.95.251 (talk) 05:47, 8 January 2018 (UTC)

Not done for now: Some questions have been raised recently on other talk pages about whether or not Forbes contributors whose articles are disclaimed by Forbes, (in contrast to staff reporters) should be considered reliable sources. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 06:05, 8 January 2018 (UTC)

Franchise

Why is it not decoloring itself when I receive the color tag from the franchise section in golmaal series... Please help me there (teach me)^🦂😎 Nabeelgm 😎^🦂(Talk)•°(contribs) Nabeel Gm 10:25, 15 January 2018 (UTC) Nabeel Gm 10:25, 15 January 2018 (UTC)

Spyder (Telugu)

Spyder is a Telugu Tamil bilingual movie so please do include the '#+' sign which shows it is bilingual. Nithish Singh (talk) 09:42, 20 December 2017 (UTC)

Done ^🦂😎 Nabeelgm 😎^🦂(Talk)•°(contribs) Nabeel Gm 10:49, 15 January 2018 (UTC)

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add ramaleela 50 crore 51.223.99.126 (talk) 15:30, 18 January 2018 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. DRAGON BOOSTER ★ 16:35, 18 January 2018 (UTC)

Malayalam movie list is wrong amar akbar also get 50 crore in box office

Make this page to editors choice page Nabhan nbn (talk) 16:51, 18 January 2018 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 28 January 2018

Yadavkush (talk) 07:47, 28 January 2018 (UTC)I want to edit this page.

 Not done: this is not the right page to request additional user rights. You may reopen this request with the specific changes to be made and someone will add them for you. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 08:05, 28 January 2018 (UTC)

TZH

The box office figures of tzh is the local bo collection.Hence the values should not be used as it's unreliable global bo must be used ^🦂😎 Nabeelgm 😎^🦂(Talk)•°(contribs) Nabeel Gm 12:20, 30 January 2018 (UTC) Nabeel Gm 12:20, 30 January 2018 (UTC)

The source is referring to the global box office. If you have any other source giving a different figure, then feel free to present it. Maestro2016 (talk) 16:25, 31 January 2018 (UTC)

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In section Global gross figures add Gujarati as a language for Secret Superstar and Raees A145029 (talk) 04:18, 9 February 2018 (UTC)

 Not done: As far as I know Secret Superstar is set in Gujarat but is in Hindi, and not Gujarati. If this is not the case, please provide references showing it to be so. Also for Raees. Spintendo ᔦᔭ 07:28, 9 February 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for replying. You are right the main language is Hindi, but Gujarati is also used sometimes in both films. For example during songs. In Secret Superstar in the song I'll Miss You, the chorus has "Hu Tane Prem Karu Chu" which is Gujarati for I love you. In Raees songs the titles of the songs Udi Udi Jaye and Enu Naam Che Raees are in Gujarati, and Ghammar Ghammar is completely in Gujarati. In the films many posters, boards, signs, building names, restaurant names in Gujarati.

Just like Marwari is mentioned as a language for Padmaavat and Marathi is mentioned for Bajirao Mastani. Gujarati is used as a secondary language in these two films as Marwari and Marathi are used in Padmaavat and Bajirao Mastani. A145029 (talk) 20:02, 10 February 2018 (UTC)

References

The listed languages only refer to dialogue, not song lyrics, or background scenery. If you have any sources saying there are actual dialogue in Gujarati, then feel free to present them. Maestro2016 (talk) 14:38, 12 February 2018 (UTC)

In Secret Superstar the Gujarati language is sometimes used while teaching at the school.

For the Raees film Shahrukh Khan did an interview and a question asked is "Will we hear you speaking Gujarati in the film?" and he answers "Yes, in the film I do try to (laughs). I’m really bad with languages, but the film is Gujarat-based so most of the characters, at one time or the other, do fall into speaking Gujarati and so do I. That dialogue where I say ‘Aah Raha Hoon’ will be ‘Aau Chu’ (laughs). So, yes, I do speak in Gujarati in places as well. But I do sound slightly different from many people but yes. Everyone… most of the characters snap into Gujarati throughout the film."A145029 (talk) 17:48, 13 February 2018 (UTC)

References

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 18 February 2018

Year: 2001 : Highest grossing movie: Gadar:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gadar:_Ek_Prem_Katha: more than 150 crores Hari0404 (talk) 15:17, 18 February 2018 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 16:06, 18 February 2018 (UTC)

Mungarumale collected ₹75 crore

Hello, I'm Tevar shaa. I wanted to let you know that According to reports at that time, #Mungarumale was the first film to touch ₹50 crore and even within 300 days See this. And ran for 1 year continuously in PVR with packed houses. And went on to run over 865 days and raked over ₹75 crore in its life time in #Karnataka.

Actually the the Mungarumale collection is not announced by any primary sources like producer/actor/director/distributors, it is by critic, named C.H. Prahlada Rao, who told to "DNA" — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tevar shaa (talk • contribs)

References

Srimanthudu grossed only 144 crores.please correct it Bala krishna kumar s (talk) 09:35, 21 February 2018 (UTC)

Koi... Mil Gaya was the highest-grossing Indian film of 2003

Koi... Mil Gaya was the highest-grossing Indian film of 2003. Kal Ho Naa Ho , second-highest-grossing Indian film of 2003. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hiranpm85 (talk • contribs) 08:00, 4 March 2018 (UTC)

Koi Mil Gaya was 2003's highest-grossing film in India, not worldwide. Kal Ho Naa Ho was the highest-grossing Indian film worldwide. Maestro2016 (talk) 16:27, 5 March 2018 (UTC)

2000 entry is wrong

"mohabbatein" is listed as highest grossing in 2000 year but its incorrect... "kaho na pyar hai" was the real highest grosser of the year 2000 - Adamstraw99 (talk) 17:13, 5 March 2018 (UTC)

Again, Kaho Na Pyar Hai was 2000's highest-grossing film in India, not worldwide. Mohabbatein was the highest-grossing Indian film worldwide in 2000. Maestro2016 (talk) 06:02, 6 March 2018 (UTC)

Love ni bhavai

It collected 12.30 crores in gujarati language Devil God (talk) 12:02, 2 March 2018 (UTC)

Source? Maestro2016 (talk) 06:37, 6 March 2018 (UTC)

TigerZindaHai Gross

According to Box Office mojo the collections are $87,320,000 and that according to current exchange rate in rupees is 5693264000.00 rupees which is 569.32Crores in rupees.

Here are sources:-http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=main&id=tigerzindahai.htm

Dollar to inr=65.20 According to Google as of now JV Tuber (talk) 18:07, 2 March 2018 (UTC)

Y Done. Maestro2016 (talk) 06:37, 6 March 2018 (UTC)

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Top 10 Highest Collecting Films in 'Ollywood'(The Odia Language Film Industry) Film Budget Collections 1. Ishq Tu Hi Tu 6 cr 79 lakh 2. Super Michchua 5 cr 98 lakh 3. Pilata Bigidi Gala 5 cr 76 lakh 4. Rangila Baba 4 cr 79 lakh 5. Jaga Hathare Pagha 4 cr 25 lakh 6. Something Something 3 cr 70 lakh 7. Balunga Toka 3 cr 40 lakh 8. Mun Eka Tumara 3 cr 34 lakh 9. Bhala Pae Tote 100 Ru 100 3 cr 25 lakh 10. Raja Jhia Sange Hoi Gala Bhaba 3 cr 04 lakh

The market for Ollywood Films is primarily Odisha along with a few districts of Chattishgarh , Andhra Pradesh , West Bengal where there's substantial population of Odias. Cities like Surat , Bangalore , Delhi and Jamshedpur also contribute to the collections.

Recently , films have started releasing in countries like Oman , Baharain , Malaysia , UAE etc..which have sizable population of Odias. 182.74.59.186 (talk) 15:05, 6 March 2018 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 17:42, 6 March 2018 (UTC)

List of highest-grossing Gujarati films

Karsandas Pay & Use box office collection is 7 crore(est). source: http://movieboxofficecollection.com/karsandas-pay-and-use-box-office-collection-1st-week-day-wise-8-days-total-report/ Jenishrank (talk) 19:47, 24 March 2018 (UTC)

 Done Luis150902 (talk | contribs) 20:18, 24 March 2018 (UTC)

 Undone @Jenishrank and Luis150902: We don't make changes unless that content is supported by reliable published sources with established reputations for fact-checking and accuracy. This is a basic concept at Wikipedia. And unless either of you are in a position to argue for why this random blog qualifies as an expert of Gujarati film finances, we should not be using it. See WP:ICTF#Guidelines on sources for some examples of references that are considered sufficient in the context of Indian film. Anybody can start a website or blog and publish whatever they want, that does not mean that we just indiscriminately swallow that information. Indian film financial details are very often subject to inflation and fabrication, often for promotional purposes. There is no centralised authority on Indian film finances. Any figure reported is an estimate, and higher estimates do not equate to greater accuracy. Thanks, Cyphoidbomb (talk) 20:58, 24 March 2018 (UTC)

There have been more Bhojpuri films like bhole shankar,patna se pakistan,pratigya etc that have grosses more than sasura bada paisawala

Bhojpuri cinema has more hits now than previous times because base of cinema making has shifted from being totally rural to being urban.The movie watchers do not have same taste to watch cinema previously due to increased technology,and uplifting of rural social structure that has seen a growth in every sector. Kishankumar11 (talk) 16:09, 3 April 2018 (UTC)

@Kishankumar11: It's unclear what specific changes you are proposing. The strength of our encyclopedia lies in the quality of our references, so whatever specific changes you would like to propose should be accompanied by references from reliable published sources with established reputations for fact-checking and accuracy. See WP:ICTF#Guidelines on sources for a general list of sources that are, and are not, considered reliable. No blogs, no faceless websites, please. Thanks. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 16:27, 3 April 2018 (UTC)

Add Rangasthalam to the Telugu List

Here is the standard reference source. It has collected 134 crores already and is running strong at the theatres. https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/entertainment/telugu/movies/box-office/rangasthalam-box-office-collections-day-8-ram-charan-and-samantha-starrer-makes-an-impressive-collection-even-in-tamil-nadu/articleshow/63657583.cms — Preceding unsigned comment added by 27.49.81.143 (talk) 08:52, 8 April 2018 (UTC)

Why Rangasthalam is not added to the Telugu List yet. It has already crossed 147 crores. Reference https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/entertainment/telugu/movies/box-office/rangasthalam-box-office-collections-day-10-ram-charan-and-samantha-starrer-rakes-in-rs-147-10-crore-gross/articleshow/63680863.cms — Preceding unsigned comment added by 27.49.81.191 (talk) 07:40, 10 April 2018 (UTC)

Malayalam movie collection

Ramaleela collects more than 50 crores and published it in wikipedia page ramaleela and not yet changed in this page Nabhan nbn (talk) 04:25, 29 March 2018 (UTC)

@Nabhan nbn: Please bring references from reliable published sources with established reputations for fact-checking and accuracy. See WP:ICTF#Guidelines on sources for a general list of sources that are, and are not, considered reliable. No blogs, no faceless websites, please. Thanks. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 16:25, 3 April 2018 (UTC)

Here is the reliable source saying that Ramaleela has collected 80cr from worldwide. Please dont say that it is not reliable source http://www.catchnews.com/regional-cinema/dileep-s-ramaleela-unseats-mohanlal-blockbuster-drishyam-to-become-the-all-time-second-highest-malayalam-grosser-93444.html Mhdsuhail007 (talk) 04:43, 16 April 2018 (UTC)

Ramaleela 80 crores Aadhi 50 crores Thejussk (talk) 02:38, 20 April 2018 (UTC)

Ramaleela Malayalam movie

Here is the reliable source saying that Ramaleela has collected 80cr from worldwide. Please dont say that it is not reliable source. Catchnews has been provided for many movies as reliable source. http://www.catchnews.com/regional-cinema/dileep-s-ramaleela-unseats-mohanlal-blockbuster-drishyam-to-become-the-all-time-second-highest-malayalam-grosser-93444.html Mhdsuhail007 (talk) 16:36, 17 April 2018 (UTC)

Its very bad communication by administrators as they are not wish to update the collection even when i provide the reliable source. They are not even ready to reply what the reason.Mhdsuhail007 (talk) 14:48, 21 April 2018 (UTC)

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Telugu movie Rangasthalam is in top 10 highest grossing movies of Tollywood now. But it is not yet updated in this article yet.

Source: http://andhraboxoffice.com/info.aspx?id=4217&cid=6&fid=5860, https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_highest-grossing_Telugu_movies Clreddy21 (talk) 05:33, 17 April 2018 (UTC) Please provide a reliable source. The source you provided cant be used Mhdsuhail007 (talk) 16:37, 17 April 2018 (UTC)

Adding another source, I hope firstpost is a reliable source for you.

https://www.firstpost.com/entertainment/ram-charan-starrer-rangasthalam-becomes-telugu-cinemas-third-highest-grosser-after-two-baahubali-films-4434667.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by Clreddy21 (talk • contribs) 20:35, 17 April 2018 (UTC)

 Not done for now: There are no reliable sources for total (as opposed to first-day or first-weekend) box office results for Rangasthalam. See the list here for examples. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 17:19, 22 April 2018 (UTC)

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Aadhi movie grossed 50 Crores. https://www.thenewsminute.com/article/pranav-mohanlal-enters-rs-50-crore-club-aadhi-79735 R-360 (Creations) (talk) 01:55, 22 April 2018 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 17:20, 22 April 2018 (UTC)

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Please add Rangasthalam Telugu film in the list of highest grossing Telugu movies. It has collected 164 crore rupees within 14 days now. Here is the proof: https://amp.ibtimes.co.in/rangasthalam-14-day-box-office-collection-ram-charan-beats-chiranjeevis-khaidi-lifetime-record-766526

IBTimes is a reliable resource(news magazine) according to Wiki Rules. So kindly add Rangasthalam. It stands ahead of Khaidi no.150 in collections. Freewebstennis (talk) 07:30, 13 April 2018 (UTC)

There are no reliable sources for total (as opposed to first-day or first-weekend) box office results for Rangasthalam. The linked sourced is only for first two weeks, which is already out of date and has not been updated. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 17:21, 22 April 2018 (UTC)

Both Ramaleela and Aadhi Reached 50 Crores in India. Please Update.

Both Ramaleela and Aadhi Reached 50 Crores worldwide. Both are malayalam movies. Please Update. — Preceding unsigned comment added by PuliMurugan (talk • contribs) 02:26, 28 April 2018 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 29 April 2018

Taha7867382 (talk) 10:52, 29 April 2018 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. L293D (☎ • ✎) 19:26, 29 April 2018 (UTC)

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I want to update Highest grossing Punjabi movies list in the highest grossing by language section and i have an authentic source of my edit. Taha7867382 (talk) 06:26, 29 April 2018 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. L293D (☎ • ✎) 19:27, 29 April 2018 (UTC)

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Please update Punjabi Movies list by adding Sajjan Singh Rangroot into the list. Here is the official Box Office India report by their official website which states that its total collection is 46 crore worldwide. https://boxofficeindia.com/report-details.php?articleid=3828 Taha7867382 (talk) 06:35, 29 April 2018 (UTC)

 Done L293D (☎ • ✎) 19:30, 29 April 2018 (UTC)

Telugu movies colletions

Telugu movies collections should be update like rangasthalam 200 cores and bharat and nenu 179crores Kishorexyz (talk) 13:55, 30 April 2018 (UTC)

@Kishorexyz: Not suprisingly, telling us that something needs to be changed isn't particularly helpful if you don't bring references to the discussion. And by references, we mean links to mainstream articles from sources with established reputations for fact-checking and accuracy, not fly-by-night websites or random blogs. See WP:ICTF#Guidelines on sources for some examples. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 15:57, 30 April 2018 (UTC)

Here are the sources for Rangasthalam collecting 200 crores and Bharat Ane Nenu collecting 181.28 crores. https://www.indiatoday.in/movies/regional-cinema/story/rangasthalam-box-office-collection-ram-charan-200-crore-1223989-2018-05-01 https://www.ibtimes.co.in/bharat-ane-nenu-2nd-weekend-box-office-collection-film-eyes-rs-200-crore-768117 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.227.6.19 (talk) 09:13, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

Foreign Language movies section missing

Where is the section for india groess of Foreign Language movies .

I dont have edit access so kindly add this list to here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_highest-grossing_films_in_India#Foreign_films

Sanjan Kumar Patel 07:41, 4 May 2018 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sanjanind (talk • contribs)

@Sanjanind: This article is titled "List of highest-grossing Indian films". Avengers: Infinity War is not an Indian film. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 11:51, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

Gujarati Movies Gujjubhai-Most Wanted Year edit request on 4 May 2018

In Gujarati Movies Section, GujjuBhai - Most Wanted Year is wrong it should be 2018. Aniket.rashiya (talk) 05:46, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

 Done Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 19:33, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

Bajrangi Bhaijaan movie

You should update the bajrangi bhaijaan worldwide earning Nasir khan786nk (talk) 03:55, 6 May 2018 (UTC)

Please update Nasir khan786nk (talk) 03:55, 6 May 2018 (UTC)

@Nasir khan786nk: Requests to update without being accompanied by a reliable published source, are not terribly helpful. If you want someone to update content at this article, you should look for a quality reference. (No blogs, not user-generated sites, etc.) See WP:ICTF#Guidlines on sources. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 04:08, 6 May 2018 (UTC)

How come Dangal's collections went from 2122 crores to 2200 crores?

How come Dangal movie's collections went suddenly from 2122 crores to 2200 crores even though it almost closed its business? Is it not manipulating the data? According to other standard sources, Dangal total collections did not even reach 2000 crores but Wikipedia is giving its own figures, manipulated by biased editors. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.226.176.246 (talk) 05:13, 7 May 2018 (UTC)

Editor @Maestro2016 is manipulating Gross collections in his own way. He increased Dangal movie's collections suddenly from 2122 crores to 2200 by seeing the weekend Baahubali 2 collections in China thinking that it may cross Dangal's collections in the long run. Now, he reverted Dangal collections to 2122 crores by seeing the Baahubali 2's Monday collections as it collected less. He is purely manipulating the data in his own way to keep Dangal at top — Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.226.241.190 (talk) 07:54, 8 May 2018 (UTC)

I was updating the totals of several films that are still running in several markets by adding up the regional collections, and in Dangal's case the total went higher than expected (with several sources supporting this higher number). After soon having second thoughts about it, I undid it shortly after. Maestro2016 (talk) 14:04, 8 May 2018 (UTC)

Yes,you are absolutely right editor Maestro2016 is totally biased I dont know how to edit Vandalised page .If I know this I will sure edit Maestro2016 all pages NagrajSuperCommandoDhruv (talk) 13:15, 16 May 2018 (UTC)

Actual figure of Dangal collection

Here is the link

https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/has-aamir-khans-dangal-really-made-2-000-crore-dont-celebrate-just-yet-1720035

Amir spokeperson said the movie collected 1864 cr after one more month in china And after china it released in taiwan and hongkong where it collected 60 cr These figure does not match the data that here provided

NagrajSuperCommandoDhruv (talk) 10:52, 18 May 2018 (UTC)

That link is outdated, from the start of July 2017, when the film was still running in China and Taiwan, and didn't release yet in Hong Kong, Turkey, Japan or South Korea. Also, it was only including nett gross (accounting for 387 crore in India), not total gross (587 crore in India).

Regional breakdown:

• India - 587 crore total gross (387 crore nett)
• China - CN¥1,299.12 million (₹1,330 crore)
• Taiwan - 41 crore
• Hong Kong - 23.1 crore
• Turkey - 3 crore
• Japan - 3 crore
• Korea - 4 crore
• Other markets - $31.8 million (217.2 crore)

Total - 2208.3 crore total gross (including 1394.1 crore in Chinese markets) (2008.3 crore nett)

Recent sources which give total gross between 2100 and 2200 crore - IB Times (2122 crore), Hindustan Times (2200 crore), The Statesman (2200 crore), Statista ($330 million).

Note that before you make any change to the article, you must cite sources (specifically recent sources in this case), or else it's original research which isn't allowed.

Maestro2016 (talk) 13:06, 18 May 2018 (UTC)

Ok I accept all your figure. Just tell me one thing chinese box office collection show that Dangal collected$ 193050870 us at that time 1 dollar is equal to 64.20 rs You can see these very easily on google Now 193050870×64.2=1239 cr kindly update this The difference is according to your data is 1330-1239=91 cr NagrajSuperCommandoDhruv (talk) 16:41, 18 May 2018 (UTC)

https://www.forbes.com/sites/robcain/2017/10/14/no-hollywood-film-has-topped-dangal-in-china-since-may-but-transformers-5/ Now see here Forbes says in 60 day run Dangal earned 189 million us dollar and june 2017 average 1 dollar is equal to 64.39 rs Which means total 1239 cr not 1330 and this data is from october 2017 NagrajSuperCommandoDhruv (talk) 16:58, 18 May 2018 (UTC)

Since most recent sources agree that Dangal crossed 2000 crore worldwide, I will just put it down as 2000 crore+. Maestro2016 (talk) 21:37, 18 May 2018 (UTC)

https://www.firstpost.com/entertainment/dangal-vs-baahubali-2-the-conclusion-in-japan-aamir-khans-film-adds-rs-3-cr-to-unrivaled-global-total-4444855.html Here is link on 25 april 2018 NagrajSuperCommandoDhruv (talk) 05:18, 19 May 2018 (UTC)

Most other recent sources have it 2000 crore+, some going higher to 2100-2200 crore:

• Narayanan, Nirmal (15 February 2018). "Rajinikanth's 2.0 set to rock 10000 screens in Japan, Singapore, Malaysia, UAE, US and more". International Business Times.
• Vijayakar, R.M. (22 November 2017). "From 100 Crore-Grossing Movies to Bygone Era's Silver and Golden Jubilee Hits: A look at Rare Feats in Indian Cinema". India West.
• Mohan, Kshitiz (1 September 2017). "After China, Dangal Storm Takes Over Hong Kong". Businessworld.
• "Dangal in focus with strong run in Hong Kong, tops PK & Baahubali in revenues, globally". Moneycontrol. 1 September 2017.
• "Aamir Khan's Secret Superstar earns seven times more money in China in 1 week than what it did in India". Hindustan Times. 26 January 2018.
• "'Baahubali 2' to open on more than 7,000 screens in China". The Statesman. 3 May 2018.
• "All time box office revenue of the highest grossing Bollywood movies worldwide". Statista. December 2017.

Maestro2016 (talk) 06:24, 19 May 2018 (UTC)

In that way bahubali 2 have 270 million us dollar now that means 1856 crore from today dollar rupees ratio T-Shirt wala (talk) 05:23, 21 May 2018 (UTC)

The best possible solution to this problem is report it as '2000+ crore'. I also left ref note at the end of Global gross figures. here's what I wrote.

^{DangalBoxoffice}Dangal's box-office gross is shown to be 2000+ crore, because it has been difficult to pinpoint exact figures. However all sources do agree that the movie has grossed more than 2000 crore. All this issues occurred due to the irregularities between movie's reported box-office gross for china and inconsistent currency conversions.

NevaK^^talk 07:02, 22 May 2018 (UTC)

Extended protection request

Administrator, add protection request to the page it is vandalized a lot.... *^🦂😎 Nabeelgm 😎^🦂(Talk)•°(contribs) Nabeel Gm 07:12, 22 May 2018 (UTC) Nabeel Gm 07:12, 22 May 2018 (UTC)

Strongly agree NevaK^^talk 09:56, 22 May 2018 (UTC)

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- 157.50.227.98 (talk) 12:02, 23 May 2018 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. L293D (☎ • ✎) 12:08, 23 May 2018 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 25 May 2018

https://www.telugu360.com/bharat-ane-nenu-overseas-profit-loss-statement/ The article Give fresh numbers for Bharat Ane Nenu collections the numbers added up show that the total earning is 205 + 26 Cr that is 231 Cr Avonbrunton (talk) 15:23, 25 May 2018 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. This is not a reliable source per WP:ICTF. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 05:45, 26 May 2018 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 26 May 2018

Hi. Please let me edit this page. I have edited a lot in this website. and I am reliable. Please let me edit. Thanks R-360 (Creations) (talk) 19:06, 26 May 2018 (UTC)

 Not done: this is not the right page to request additional user rights. You may reopen this request with the specific changes to be made and someone will add them for you. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 19:12, 26 May 2018 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 28 May 2018

Please correct the gross earnings of the Telugu Movie Bharat ane Nenu to 230 Cr below are the New Articles stating the facts http://www.glamsham.com/en/superstar-mahesh-babus-bharat-ane-nenu-sets-bo-on-fire http://www.dnaindia.com/entertainment/report-bharat-ane-nenu-box-office-mahesh-babu-s-film-refuses-to-slow-down-rakes-in-rs-230-crore-in-19-days-2613460 http://www.freepressjournal.in/entertainment/superstar-mahesh-babus-bharat-ane-nenu-collects-rs-230-cr-in-just-19-days/1273558 Avonbrunton (talk) 20:13, 28 May 2018 (UTC)

 Done L293D (☎ • ✎) 01:47, 31 May 2018 (UTC)

Chinese collection is not right

Chinese collection, according to at that time when 1 dollar is equal to 64 rs ,is less than that show in figure According to this dollar rupees rate ,collection 100 crore less than actual figure All agency is giving wrong figure This article does not give inflated rate it gives actual collection So we have to provide actual data on wikipedia which 2000 crore T-Shirt wala (talk) 17:30, 20 May 2018 (UTC)

According to EntGroup (the most reliable source on the Chinese box office available in English), Dangal grossed $216.2 million in China. According to Template:To USD (average 2017 exchange rate), this converts to ₹1,601 crore. Maestro2016 (talk) 19:00, 3 June 2018 (UTC)

Chinese collection of Dangal

Chinese collection of Dangal was 1200 cr not 1400 cr editor@maestro 2016 is biased completely and he continuous gave wrong data throughout whole journey of Dangal it started when bahubali 2 released actual collection of Dangal even not surpassed 2000 cr NagrajSuperCommandoDhruv (talk) 14:37, 15 May 2018 (UTC)

It is 1400 crore combined from all three Chinese markets, including China, Taiwan and Hong Kong. In China alone, it grossed CN¥1299.12 million, which converts to well over ₹1300 crore, which you can see for yourself in any currency convertor. And with Taiwan and Hong Kong, the total comes up to 1400 crore. Worldwide, it crossed 2000 crore a while ago. Maestro2016 (talk) 15:49, 17 May 2018 (UTC)

First of all as we see on google Taiwan lifetime collection is 40 cr and hong kong is 20 cr that make 60 cr let chinese collection be 1300 cr according to you Before china release overall collection of Dangal is 587 cr worldwide Now total is 1300+60+587=1947 Another very big question is why you sudden change dangal collection from 2122 to 2200 cr??????? NagrajSuperCommandoDhruv (talk) 08:21, 18 May 2018 (UTC)

@NagrajSuperCommandoDhruv: 587 crore was box office gross in India only. Apart from and before the box office gross of 1360 crore earned from Chinese markets, Dangal had already grossed over 210 crore in remaining oversees markets. So, the correct totaling is 1300+60+587+210=2157 crore. Please learn to read and interpret complete information before making falsifying claims. Vibhss (talk) 15:25, 24 May 2018 (UTC)

You dont know the actual figure. surprisingly some editor have soft corner for Amir kHan movie I am giving you a link

https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/has-aamir-khans-dangal-really-made-2-000-crore-dont-celebrate-just-yet-1720035

Just see this this is from 3rd july 2017 one day before the end of chinese run. After this only taiwan,japan and korea released Dangal which totally gives less than 65 crore I can not understand why you people falsely increase the figure of Dangal Even neither Amir Khan nor Amir representative claimed that the movie crossed 2000 crore . Chinese collection is in Us dollar In 2017 us dollar and INR conversion was something else from today. — Preceding unsigned comment added by NagrajSuperCommandoDhruv (talk • contribs) 11:32, 4 June 2018 (UTC) Wikipedia is showing wrong figure trade analyst and producer of the movie saying the movie does not cross 2000 crore Why some editors are showing wrong figure — Preceding unsigned comment added by T-Shirt wala (talk • contribs) 02:50, 5 June 2018 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 5 June 2018

Please swap Dangal and Baahubali 2 : The Conclusion around because Baahubali 2 made more than Dangal and it is more famous as it has been on the BBC. Dangal is under Baahubali 2 : The Conclusion. Wldn ss (talk) 18:51, 5 June 2018 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. LittlePuppers (talk) 19:16, 5 June 2018 (UTC)

Highest Grossing Punjabi Movies

Can anybody please add more films on highest grossing Punjabi movies according to this article of Box Office India https://www.boxofficeindia.com/report-details.php?articleid=3828 ਬੱਬੂ ਬਰਾੜ (talk) 12:44, 9 June 2018 (UTC)

Bahubali's updated box office collection

Please refer to the below link of International Business Times stating the top five highest grossing Tamil movies and reflect any changes accordingly. https://www.ibtimes.co.in/vijays-mersal-box-office-collection-stands-next-only-enthiran-baahubali-2-this-region-758102 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.209.142.81 (talk) 16:16, 16 June 2018 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 19 June 2018

Vivegam - Tamil Movie - Box Office Above 160 Crores - Source : India Today - https://www.indiatoday.in/movies/regional-cinema/story/vivegam-box-office-collection-ajith-kumar-kajal-aggarwal-1041594-2017-09-10

}} SankarStark (talk) 19:52, 19 June 2018 (UTC)

Toilet ek Prem Katha should be in top 25 highest grossing Indian films

While toilet ek Prem Katha wiki page shows it has grossed more than 300cr. Then, why it's not placed in top 25 highest grossing indian films. It should firstly be ranked in top 25 then it should be ranked above Raees. Vikram jha18 (talk) 04:51, 20 June 2018 (UTC)

Yes i agreed Amtpatel01 (talk) 06:25, 20 June 2018 (UTC)

Baahubali is not bilingual movie

Baahubali is a pure telugu movie which is dubbed into other languages. Please don't include the movie in Tamil language category. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rjchandra (talk • contribs) 15:58, 22 June 2018 (UTC)

@Rjchandra: According to our mainstream sources,[1][2] the film was shot simultaneously in Telugu and Tamil. Any change to the contrary would have to be supported with solid references, not your personal assertions. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 17:21, 23 June 2018 (UTC)

Aamir Khan and Salman Khan Should Be Mentioned in the Introduction section of Global gross figures

In the List of 25 Movies Salman Khan and Aamir Khan have the most Movies. Salman Khan has 6 and Aamir Khan Has 5 Of which 4 Aamir Khan Movies are in the top 10 and 3 Salman Khan Movies are in the Top. The Two Actors definitely deserve a special mention in the introductions of the Section Global gross figures. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Birsanagarwala (talk • contribs) 09:32, 22 June 2018 (UTC)

 Not done The above user has been traveling article-to-article adding bolded text calling Aamir Khan the "World's Biggest Superstar".[3] There's obviously a promotional agenda here. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 17:23, 23 June 2018 (UTC)

New Edit Request

Please update Kaala movie collections , Refer the below links

• http://english.sakshi.com/news/2018/06/07/kaala-us-premieres-collection
• https://www.hindustantimes.com/regional-movies/rajinikanth-s-kaala-earns-rs-230-crore-before-release-needs-rs-280-crore-at-bo-to-be-a-blockbuster/story-N9UDz5tIhmKPaFowAZBjkL.html
• https://www.businesstoday.in/trending/entertainment/rajinikanths-kaala-earns-rs-230-crore-ahead-of-release/story/278538.html
• https://www.ndtv.com/entertainment/rajinikanths-kaala-is-halfway-to-hit-status-already-with-230-crore-earned-even-before-release-1863314
• http://indianexpress.com/article/entertainment/tamil/kaala-box-office-prediction-rajinikanth-5207851/ — Preceding
• http://www.thehansindia.com/posts/index/Tollywood/2018-06-07/Rajinikanths-Kaala-First-Day-Box-Office-Collections-Report/387293
• http://www.bollywoodlife.com/news-gossip/kaala-box-office-collection-day-1-rajinikanths-film-beats-thalapathy-vijays-mersal-rakes-in-rs-1-76-crore-and-becomes-the-highest-opening-day-grosser-in-chennai/
• https://www.financialexpress.com/entertainment/kaala-box-office-collection-phenomenal-start-rajinikanth-starrer-set-to-earn-around-rs-30-cr-on-day-1/1197008/

unsigned comment added by 180.151.49.206 (talk) 09:00, 7 June 2018 (UTC)

 Not done: What sort of statement are you asking us to make about Kaala's gross? Also, you're not asking for the pre-release income to be included in box office receipts, are you? Because box office receipts = money made at the box office, not money made pre-selling satellite rights Cyphoidbomb (talk) 14:52, 8 June 2018 (UTC)

yes please update only box office records,

https://www.indiatoday.in/movies/regional-cinema/story/rajinikanth-kaala-box-office-collection-day-5-becomes-second-highest-grosser-of-2018-1258030-2018-06-12 http://indianexpress.com/article/entertainment/tamil/kaala-box-office-rajinikanth-film-crosses-rs-100-crore-mark-5214112/ https://www.firstpost.com/entertainment/kaala-opening-weekend-box-office-collection-rajinikanth-starrer-garners-rs-114-cr-worldwide-in-four-days-4506797.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 180.151.49.206 (talk • contribs) 08:16, 12 June 2018 (UTC)

 Not done: You've added an additional 3 references, which say different things. Even if we went by the highest gross of 114 crore worldwide, that wouldn't put Kaala onto the list in this article. It would have to gross 149 crore in ticket sales to move Theri off the list. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 17:37, 12 June 2018 (UTC)

Kaala latest collection is 184.35 crores please update http://bollywoodbreakfast.com/kaala-13th-day-box-office-collection-worldwide/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 180.151.49.206 (talk) 09:32, 20 June 2018‎ (UTC)

 Not done: The page's protection level has changed since this request was placed. You should now be able to edit the page yourself. If you still seem to be unable to, please reopen the request with further details. — JJMC89 (T·C) 18:02, 23 June 2018 (UTC)

Highest-grossing Opening Weekends

I suggest a new section for the Opening Weekend Gross. I have made up a list of 20 films so far. For Hindi films which had a three day opening weekend, I have taken the data from Box Office India[4] and the rest are from individual reports.

Rank	Film	Opening Weekend Gross	Language	Year	Source(s)
1	Baahubali 2: The Conclusion	₹540 crore (US$63 million)	Telugu Tamil	2017
2	Sultan	₹328 crore (US$38 million)	Hindi	2016
3	Kabali	₹211.25 crore (US$25 million)	Tamil	2016
4	Sanju	₹201.99 crore (US$24 million)	Hindi	2018
5	Dangal	₹198.64 crore (US$23 million)	Hindi	2016
6	Padmaavat	₹196.84 crore (US$23 million)	Hindi	2018
7	Dhoom 3	₹194.3 crore (US$23 million)	Hindi	2013
8	Tiger Zinda Hai	₹189 crore (US$22 million)	Hindi	2017
9	Bajrangi Bhaijaan	₹187.24 crore (US$22 million)	Hindi	2015
10	Prem Ratan Dhan Payo	₹185.15 crore (US$22 million)	Hindi	2015
11	Race 3	₹181.32 crore (US$21 million)	Hindi	2018
12	PK	₹175.78 crore (US$21 million)	Hindi	2014
13	Happy New Year	₹174.57 crore (US$20 million)	Hindi	2014
14	Baahubali: The Beginning	₹169 crore (US$20 million)	Telugu Tamil	2015
15	Chennai Express	₹159.54 crore (US$19 million)	Hindi	2013
16	Dilwale	₹144.83 crore (US$17 million)	Hindi	2015
17	Mersal	₹140 crore (US$16 million)	Tamil	2017
18	I	₹135 crore (US$16 million)	Tamil	2015
19	Golmaal Again	₹134.48 crore (US$16 million)	Hindi	2017
20	Raees	₹128.14 crore (US$15 million)	Hindi	2017

~Rajan51(talk) 14:53, 25 June 2018 (UTC)

References

Director and Studio names

Do the names of the directors and studios have to be mentioned in the lists. If yes, why? ~Rajan51(talk) 7:32, 4 July 2018 (UTC)

There's no mandate, but there's also no prohibition. The tables have been formatted this way for several years. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 15:14, 5 July 2018 (UTC)

The thing is, those two columns seem to occupy a lot of space and can be removed if they are not very important. I know that they have been there for a long time, but that alone cannot justify their presence there. ~Rajan51(talk) 16:31, 5 July 2018 (UTC)

The page costs the same whether the director and studio are there or not, so "occupy a lot of space" can't alone justify their removal. It's not like we're going to use that freed-up space for ads or something. I would imagine someone might find it interesting to see which studios/directors appear the most in the various tables, but I don't presently have a strong opinion. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 01:58, 6 July 2018 (UTC)

Since it occupies more space, removing them will make it easier for Mobile phone viewers to view the entire table. ~Rajan51(talk) 3:57, 6 July 2018 (UTC)

Do we normally remove content to make it easier for mobile phone viewers? That's not actually something I've ever heard of. It would seem that if content is useful for all, it's also useful for mobile viewers. Where else would they get this information? They'd have to search each article independently and take notes? Doesn't that actually seem like more of a hassle? Again, I don't presently have a strong opinion, but I feel it's my obligation to present counter-arguments to "it's taking up space". Cyphoidbomb (talk) 05:40, 6 July 2018 (UTC)

Personally, it wouldn't bother me much whether the director/studio names were kept or removed. I'm fine either way. Maestro2016 (talk) 22:27, 5 July 2018 (UTC)

Valid Reference?

Hi there, I was wondering if Best of the Year is reliable for box office numbers. For example, for Kannada films, it cites Raajakumara for grossing 75 cr, and Mr and Mrs Ramachari at 52 cr., and Aptharakshaka at 40 cr. This would obviously change some of the Kannada films listed currently, and looking at their "About us" section, they seem legitimate. However, I wanted some confirmation on whether or not they can be a valid resource. Thanks. Shrev64 (talk) 06:10, 10 July 2018 (UTC)

@Shrev64: Who are they, and what about them looks "legitimate", apart from their claim that they are "a leading Bollywood News portal"? That's pretty much what all cookie-cutter news portals/blogs claim. We only use sources that have established reputations for fact-checking and accuracy. If you've never heard of them, and I've never heard of them, and none of our other regular editors have heard of them, then we probably shouldn't use them. Please see WP:ICTF#Guidelines on sources for a general list of sites that are, and are not, generally considered reliable in the context of Indian entertainment articles. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 06:51, 10 July 2018 (UTC)

Ok thank you, I couldn't find that link earlier so I'm glad you provided it to me. Have a nice day. Shrev64 (talk) 08:19, 10 July 2018 (UTC)

Dangal's China Gross

The given source for Dangal's China gross does not seem to work. So, a new source is needed. Maybe this can be used. ~Rajan51(talk) 5:36, 7 July 2018 (UTC)

Or a better way would be to get the Chinese gross in CN¥ and convert it to INR. As per this report from EntGroup, Dangal(released as Wrestle! Father) grossed CN¥1.29912 billion in China(equivalent to ₹1,218.46 crore[5]) ~Rajan51(talk) 7:29, 7 July 2018 (UTC)

Generally speaking, I really question Forbes contributor Rob Cain's claims. It's totally unclear what makes this guy some kind of savant for Indian film financials, especially when he's the only guy making the more grandiose claims that the rest of the industry doesn't seem comfortable to report when the chips are down. My skepticism is heightened when Forbes itself bears a disclaimer "Opinions expressed by Forbes Contributors are their own", which is something other experienced editors have noted. Is he just a random blogger?

Kabali (July 2016 release) is one of my favorite examples of financial hype gone awry for a film. Producers (and shitty reporting from Indian Express. Financial Express, and the rest of Express Group) were claiming that the film had a box office gross of ₹600+ crore, even though it was well documented that the film had pre-release transactions of satellite and music rights sales totaling about 200 crore, which would have brought the box office figures down to (at most) ₹400 crore. Genuine skepticism from Firstpost and IBT lowered these figures to about 300 crore early on. In 2017, long after the rush died down, IBT put their estimated gross total for Kabali at about ₹286 crore, yet Forbes Contributor Rob Cain, whose opinions are his own, pushed an almost 500 crore figure as his authoritative take on the mess of financial information in May 2017, which we kind of have to report to this day, since as a group we haven't yet dug into whether or not we think this guy knows what he's talking about. I think we should start questioning him. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 08:32, 7 July 2018 (UTC)

I'm not sure whether his claims are correct. But one thing that concerns me is how the worldwide box office grosses of Dangal and Baahubali 2 have been calculated here. By using this method, we are increasing the error rates of the grosses. Besides, Danagl's grosses in India, Taiwan, Hong Kong and "Other Territories" have been obtained from Rob Cain's article. There was a report on IBT which stated that Dangal's global gross was ₹1979.12 crore by June 2018. ~Rajan51(talk) 9:24, 7 July 2018 (UTC)

Exactly. I recall the time when this guy reported that Baahubali 2 crossed ₹1725 crore while 3 months later International Business Times reported a lower figure (remember, this is after the film had a 3 month long run). Great disparity of figures. He was also the first to claim Dangal crossed ₹2000 crore. The rest of the Indian media took it up, and then the producers arrived with a clarification stating this was not the case. Interestingly, the person has a history of Twitter fights with Box Office India (don't ask) and this scathing article almost seems to be pointing towards him. 2.51.22.253 (talk) 17:46, 7 July 2018 (UTC)

Ha, interesting. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 20:39, 7 July 2018 (UTC)

That's odd. Not sure what happened to the link, but EntGroup was reporting $216 million in China last I checked. Now that the link is gone down though, you could take the CNY gross and convert it according to 2017 exchange rates. Using the average 2017 OFX exchange rates of 6.7568 CNY/USD and 65.11 INR/USD, ¥1299.12 million converts to $192.3 million and ₹1,252 crore. Oddly, OFX was previously reporting the Chinese exchange rate as about 6.4 CNY/USD average for 2017, which resulted in a converted gross of over 1300 crore, but with the updated exchange rate of 6.7568 CNY/USD, the converted gross now comes to 1252 crore. As for worldwide gross, as mentioned in the article, most sources give the total as over 2000 crore, with some going up to 2100-2200 crore (including IB Times which reported 2100 crore in February 2018). Either way, doing the math, the worldwide total comes up to around 2000-2100 crore. Maestro2016 (talk) 21:01, 7 July 2018 (UTC)

But converting the gross to INR directly from CNY would give a lower error rate than converting it to USD from CNY and then converting it to INR from USD. So I suggest direct conversion.

Besides that report from IBT in February looks like they have taken all the values from Wikipedia. ~Rajan51(talk) 2:50, 8 July 2018 (UTC)

And also, as per the same report from EntGroup, Secret Superstar grossed CN¥746.76 million in China, which is roughly equivalent to ₹750 crore.[6]. ~Rajan51(talk) 4:41, 8 July 2018 (UTC)

OFX doesn't have a direct exchange rate from CNY to INR. Converting CNY-USD then USD-INR is pretty much the same thing as converting CNY-INR. Also, the exchange site you're using seems to only give daily exchange rates, rather than monthly or annual averages (which is what OFX does), so I think OFX is a better source to use. As for Secret Superstar, we already have a direct USD figure from EntGroup, so a CNY conversion isn't necessary in this case. Maestro2016 (talk) 11:18, 8 July 2018 (UTC)

OFX doesn't have to be our only source for yearly exchange rates. As per this source, the average exchange rate for CNY-INR was ₹9.638 per CN¥ for 2017. In this case, that gives ₹1,252.09 crore which is nearly close to the value you got from double conversion, but direct conversion is still a more reliable method for converting gross to INR. Besides, I don't trust the values given by EntGroup in USD. For example, the gross that they had given for Dangal was $216 million(₹1,400 crore), which is higher than what was given by many other sources[7] [8][9][10][11] and the one you obtained from CNY. And if you try converting Secret Superstar's CN¥746.76 million in China using the average exchange rate for the first three months of 2018, you'll get ₹756.08 crore.[12] ~Rajan51(talk) 12:44, 8 July 2018 (UTC)

The thing is that the currency exchange rate seems to change. A few months ago, the CNY-USD average for 2017 was 6.4 CNY/USD, which resulted in 1300-something crore. But in the last few months, the CNY-USD average for 2017 suddenly changed to over 6.7 CNY/USD, which now lowers Dangal's China gross down to 1252 crore. It seems the issues surrounding China gross figures is that the currency exchange rates are not consistent. In Superstar's case, we could give an average gross between EntGroup's $124M conversion (810cr) and the manual conversion you gave above (¥746.76M to 756.08cr). Maestro2016 (talk) 14:07, 8 July 2018 (UTC)

If you take up Entgroup's individual reports of Secret Superstar(CNY746.76 million and US$124.4 million) and Dangal(CNY1,299.12 million and US$216 million), you fill find that in both cases the conversion rate that they have used is very close to 6 CNY/USD which is a rate that hasn't been seen since 2014. So I think that they're using the wrong conversion rate. This is not limited to Indian films alone, I have even seen Entgroup give such singificantly inaccurate conversions for Hollywood films. So I think it will be better to obtain the gross in INR from their CNY figures. ~Rajan51(talk) 16:20, 8 July 2018 (UTC)

I've noticed that EntGroup's weekly charts generally give a higher gross than the daily charts (Secret Superstar was $117 million on its last daily chart appearance, yet $124 million on its last weekly chart appearance). From what I understand about the China box office, there are two different gross figures, with TP (ticketing prices) and without TP. So the higher gross figures given on EntGroup's weekly charts may be with TP and the lower figures on their daily charts may be without TP. It seems with-TP and without-TP figures appear to be China's equivalent of India's gross and nett figures. Maestro2016 (talk) 21:44, 8 July 2018 (UTC)

To avoid this problem, we can convert directly from CNY to INR, which will also give a more accurate result. ~Rajan51(talk) 2:42 9 July 2018 (UTC)

The CNY amount given is usually the without-TP amount, which is nearly the same as the without-TP amount in USD that EntGroup gives on its daily charts (i.e. $196M for Dangal and $117M for Superstar). If EntGroup gives the USD amount, then the CNY amount isn't necessary. The secondary currency for this article is USD, so USD figures should be prioritized over CNY figures. For Dangal, the article currently uses its without-TP amount (since the link for its with-TP amount is now broken). In Superstar's case, the issue is whether to use its higher with-TP amount ($124M) or lower without-TP amount ($117M). Maestro2016 (talk) 08:19, 9 July 2018 (UTC)

But how do we know that there are two different gross figures and if the CNY gross is the lower one? I think I'll be able to understand better if you cite a reliable source, which has some details about this. Besides, as per this report from Entgroup, Secret Superstar's total gross is $106 million, and it is the same week as the other report being currently used. The box office gross in USD for all films seems to have decreased. They might have switched to proper exchange rates. ~Rajan51(talk) 8:48 9 July 2018 (UTC)

A few possible reasons for why EntGroup has recently lowered the weekly gross for older films: The exchange rate for the past has changed and they have updated to reflect this (like I mentioned earlier about how the CNY/USD average for 2017 recently changed from 6.4 to 6.7), are applying the current exchange rate instead of an older exchange rate (which wouldn't be correct), or changed the weekly charts to show with-TP gross instead of without-TP gross (which I can't confirm). Either way, I think the best thing to do would to simply give a range of values and then give an average figure. Maestro2016 (talk) 09:20, 9 July 2018 (UTC)

Can you give a reference that explains this with and without-TP gross? That would make it easier to understand what it is exactly and why it is done. ~Rajan51(talk) 10:21, 9 July 2018 (UTC)

I can't find a reliable source for it at the moment, so can't confirm if that's the reason. Either way, after thinking about it, it might be best to go with the $118M figure given on EntGroup's daily charts, which is nearly the same as what you'd get from converting the CNY figure. Maestro2016 (talk) 12:35, 9 July 2018 (UTC)

Ok, converting it using the exchange rate at the time of release would give a more accurate result than using the 2017 rate. And it would be better to give the gross in CNY in the note for both Dangal and Secret Superstar. ~Rajan51(talk) 1:07, 10 July 2018 (UTC)

Not sure if fxtop is a reliable/notable source. It would be better to stick with OFX for currency conversions. Also, it would be better to keep the notes short and simple, so it's not necessary to mention any currencies other than INR or USD. Maestro2016 (talk) 11:05, 10 July 2018 (UTC)

But converting it at the 2017 rate would not give accurate result as Secret Superstar released in China only in 2018. Besides RBI would be a more reliable source for INR exchange rates than OFX or CIA. And what about EntGroup's own weekly report that the film had grossed $106.7 million in China? ~Rajan51(talk) 12:14, 10 July 2018 (UTC)

Actually, I think it would be best to use Wikipedia's own Template:To USD (which uses World Bank data). And as we've established above, the figures in EntGroup's English weekly charts are inconsistent and fluctuating (in Superstar's case, between $106M and $124M), whereas their English daily charts are fairly consistent and mostly match their CNY figures. Maestro2016 (talk) 17:15, 10 July 2018 (UTC)

Ok, I think we can use Template:To USD since it relies on World Bank data. So then we would have to update the list using this. And we would have to update Superstar's gross with the 2018 exchange rate later. Besides, if EntGroup's weekly figures are inconsistent, then we would have to use the daily figures even for Bajrangi Bhaijaan and Hindi Medium too. Moreover, we won't know the final box office figures in China as the films would be running even after they leave the top 10. So we can get figures from Box Office Mojo. ~Rajan51(talk) 3:43, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

I've now updated Bhaijaan and Medium. Also, EntGroup is more reliable for Chinese box office than Mojo. Maestro2016 (talk) 16:55, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

But even after the films go out of the top 10 on EntGroup, the films will gross a few million dollars. So what is given by EntGroup is not the final gross figure. So I think Box Office MOJO might be useful. Or we can take the gross from the final figure in CNY if it is available. ~Rajan51(talk) 17:18, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

Fair enough. I've updated Bhaijaan and Medium with Mojo, which shows an increase for both films. However, I've left Dangal and Superstar with EntGroup, since Mojo doesn't show an increase for these films. Maestro2016 (talk) 13:05, 12 July 2018 (UTC)

As per the current daily report for 18 February 2018 from EntGroup, Superstar's gross is $112.79 million. I think it would have been updated when EntGroup fixed exchange rates. And the report shows that it grossed $0.04 million on that day. So, it could not have crossed Mojo's estimate of $117.7 million at that rate. So, what do we use now? ~Rajan51(talk) 16:18, 12 July 2018 (UTC)

Mojo's number is virtually identical to what EntGroup reported back in 18 February 2018, so it doesn't really make a difference either way. We could reference both Mojo and EntGroup in this case. Maestro2016 (talk) 18:35, 12 July 2018 (UTC)

I've updated Superstar's gross using just Mojo as the figure given by EntGroup is not final. ~Rajan51(talk) 2:10, 13 July 2018 (UTC)

Discrepancies in crore:dollar ratios

Per VRTS ticket # 2018071310003748, the dollars to crore ratio is not consistent throughout the films, causing some films with higher sales in crore to show lower sales in dollars, etc. Can someone take a look at normalizing the information presented? - TheDaveRoss (talk) 11:52, 13 July 2018 (UTC)

Yes, you're right, this problem is because of the changing USD - INR exchange rates. You might want to look into previous discussion on this here. ~Rajan51(talk) 13:15, 13 July 2018 (UTC)

Wikipedia used as source

Hey guys, I have noticed that some sources generally considered reliable might obtain data from wikipedia. I'm not 100% sure, but this is what makes me think it might be possible.

• On 15 February 2018, IBTimes published an article which is currently used as reference for PK's worldwide gross. The article states that Dangal, Secret Superstar, PK and Tiger Zinda Hai had collected Rs. 2,122, Rs. 918, Rs.854 and Rs.560 crore respectively. These figures are exactly identical to what this list contained on that day. Normally I have observed that different sources give box office estimates which are approximately equal, but rarely match perfectly. In this case the final figures for Dangal, PK and Secret Superstar were calculated by Wikipedian editors from different sources(other than IBT) are are likely to be more inaccurate, and with the article using the same figures, there could be a possibility that the figures could have been taken from Wikipedia.

Moreover, the calculation of worldwide gross for PK at that time was interesting. The domestic gross of 489 crore was obtained from a page that also said its overseas and worldwide grosses were 303 and 792 crore respectively. And neither of the two sources used are considered reliable as per WP:ICTFSOURCES. The overseas gross of US$53.4 million was obtained from an earlier report from IBT and converted at the exchange rate of 2016(rather than 2014 or 2015) and the figure obtained in INR(365 crore) was also contradictory to the figure of 303 crore by the source that was used for domestic gross. The overseas grosses for other films too were converted at different exchange rates because of the possibility that IBT could have obtained the USD figures from INR at different exchange rates, as explained here(I believe it would be better to find another source). The problem was that the calculated gross was higher than the grosses given by other sources[13][14][15] which were below 800 crore. I suggest we stick to those sources which are reliable and contain total worldwide gross.

• Another instance, which made me think that Wikipedia might be used as a source was Rob Cain's article on Forbes which uses the same figure as used on Wikipedia on that day.

I don't know how we can tackle this problem of Wikipedia being used as a source but I hope you guys can think of something. ~Rajan51(talk) 11:34, 16 July 2018 (UTC)

@Rajan51: This is quite possible, actually. I know of at least two, somewhat minor incidents when this happened. Note this 2 February 2018 edit. A recurring vandal added his name, Komail Shayan, to the list of musicians involved. This was later picked up by Firstpost on 14 February 2018. There was another example where this plot summary existed for Raees on 3 February 2016, but was republished by Hindustan Times (and a few other sources) verbatim without attribution. Anyway, it would not surprise me in the least if this was widespread--it takes a lot of detective work to suss out, though. Shameful, lazy journalism. This is why I encourage all editors of Indian film articles to be hugely circumspect when dealing with financial figures, as the margin for error is massive, so getting emotionally attached to financial figures is a fool's errand. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 15:39, 16 July 2018 (UTC)

@Cyphoidbomb, As to financial figures, with no official Box Office status available especially for south Indian movies, I couldn't agree with you more. Audit Guy (talk) 02:59, 17 July 2018 (UTC)

I want to be clear that I'm not suggesting we toss out all financial figures, especially for South Indian movies, just that we don't get insane about all of the reported figures, and as a greater goal, that we don't start treating all reported figures as gospel and start creating new content that doesn't agree with what any of the other individual sources say. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 05:14, 17 July 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 19 July 2018

Actually I want Correct the Movie Collections where it has totally wrong and according to some sources. Rangasthalam Is clearly a Highest Grosser and officially announced by the producing unit. But Bharath Ane Nenu Doesn't even has a success meet and didn't announced a official announcement Pavankum222 (talk) 05:42, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Danski454 (talk) 08:58, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

"Is clearly a Highest Grosser and officially announced by the producing unit." Right, and as I said in the discussion above, producing units lie about their box office figures. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 15:10, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 20 July 2018

hi there, on this page there is movie name missing. Dasavatharam movie grossing is missing. It was 200cores Ruven99100 (talk) 09:00, 20 July 2018 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 14:29, 20 July 2018 (UTC)

Ramaleela Malayalam movie

Ramaleela has collected near to 80 cr. The source is catch news which the wikipedia used for many movies sources . http://www.catchnews.com/regional-cinema/dileep-s-ramaleela-unseats-mohanlal-blockbuster-drishyam-to-become-the-all-time-second-highest-malayalam-grosser-93444.html Mollywood.lover (talk) 03:32, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

@Mollywood.lover: Are there any other reliable sources that claim this amount was grossed, or are we supposed to go with the source that reports the highest figures? Because I'm sure you know that Indian film financial figures are largely estimates that fluctuate depending on who's reporting them, what their agenda is, who's paying them, and a variety of other factors. Should we always go with the highest-reported values, or just in this scenario? Cyphoidbomb (talk) 05:05, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

Source https://www.facebook.com/arungopy.gopy/posts/1790410754342362 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2405:204:D284:9C5E:AD50:ED02:991B:90BA (talk) 06:53, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

Social media posts are not considered reliable as per WP:RSSELF. ~Rajan51(talk) 07:59, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

if you cant beleive this collection how about pulimurugan. The same producer is for Ramaleela also. Then pulimurugan is also fluctuating figure. Sreedhar Pillai The famous Indian trade analyst says that pulimurugan has just 100 cr near Mollywood.lover (talk) 09:41, 19 July 2018 (UTC) Like that can you provide other links for Aadhi movie also relating to 50cr Mollywood.lover (talk) 06:31, 20 July 2018 (UTC)

The reliability of the box office figures depends on the source and not on the producer. The box office figures given by the producers are unreliable as they could change it for personal gains. We use figures that are primarily derived from sources that are considered reliable by ICTF. If you find a particular film to be using figures from an unreliable source(as per ICTF), then you are welcome to correct it using a reliable source. ~Rajan51(talk) 06:57, 20 July 2018 (UTC)

  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sagar.kottappuram777 (talk • contribs) 12:04, 23 July 2018 (UTC) 

~Rajan51..please answer the question that mollywood lover asked.Pulimuragan's collection has been claimed by tomichan the same producer of Ramaleela...mohanlal declared the same after tomichan published pulimurugan collection through his FB page.The admins considered that as a source and not even bothered whether he claimed it or not.The same producer claimed that pokkiriraja played 25K housefull shows..though I am a mammootty fan,i am not gonna believe that stupidity..if u can consider his say on pulimurugan,Then it should be the same case with other movies as well right? Or is it like for lal movies one rule and for others other rule?

Dangal has grossed 2000 crore worldwide, or has it?

As per the refs that we use now for Dangal[16],[17]&[18](The third report is flawed as explained here), it has grossed over 2,000 crore worldwide. But interestingly, both Firstpost[19] and IBT(India)[20] reported a total below 2,000 crore. Incidentally, these were the only two sources which reported realistic figures for Kabali and explained why the other sources got it wrong. I'm not saying that these two are right again but I believe it's worth looking into this. ~Rajan51(talk) 12:50, 20 July 2018 (UTC)

Dangal's reported gross figures in recent reliable sources range from 1950cr to 2200cr, with most reliable sources reporting over 2000cr. Looking at the regional breakdown, it's clear that Dangal's gross lies between 2000-2100 cr. Sources reporting below 2000cr or above 2100cr could be considered outliers. It might be best to just write 2000 crore+ though. Maestro2016 (talk) 01:31, 22 July 2018 (UTC)

I think it would be better if we gather all reliable reports and then analyse them. Here is what we already have:

Firstpost - ₹1,957 crore [21](25 April 2018)

IBTimes(India) - ₹1,979.12 crore [22](8 June 2018)

Hindustan Times - ₹2,200 crore [23](26 January 2018)

The Statesman - ₹2,200 crore [24](3 May 2018) ~Rajan51(talk) 3:30, 22 July 2018 (UTC)

Several other sources:

• Business Today - ₹2,000 crore (6 July 2018)
• Firstpost - ₹2,000 crore (4 January 2018)
• Indian Express - ₹2,000 crore (30 May 2018)

What we could do is do what we did with Kabali and give a full range of figures from recent sources (1957-2200 crore), or give an average figure between the sources (which works out to roughly around 2050 crore), or simply write 2000 crore+ (meaning 2000 crore or more). Maestro2016 (talk) 11:57, 22 July 2018 (UTC)

Bollywood Hungama - ₹1,968.03 crore([25])

I think we can give ₹2,000 crore and then give the range 1,957-2,200 crore in a note. Besides, the current Taiwan gross in INR is weird. As per the report on Forbes, it grossed US$5.44 million, which also agrees with Mojo's figure. But to get a gross of 41 crore in INR, the conversion rate should have been over 75 INR/USD, while the highest in 2017 was around 67-68. Also, Mojo doesn't give grosses in USD based on the yearly average exchange rates. So, if we use the average exchange rate over the time when Dangal ran in China, we get 1,243.72 crore. Similarly, the Taiwan gross would be 35.1 crore.[26] ~Rajan51(talk) 13:36, 22 July 2018 (UTC)

We could do that, put 2000cr and then a note with 1957-2200cr. As for currency conversions, I think it would be best to just stick to using Template:To USD, which is sourced to World Bank data, rather than trying to calculate our own currency conversions from other sites, which are not as reliable as the World Bank (fxtop, for example, may not be a reliable source). By the way, the link you posted is for Indian Express, not Bollywood Hungama. Maestro2016 (talk) 14:46, 22 July 2018 (UTC)

I'm not saying that fxtop is a more reliable sources than the World Bank. What I'm saying is, since Mojo converts the grosses from the local currency to USD using the conversion rate at that point of time, using the yearly average wouldn't give us the right values. For example, converting US$193,050,870 using Template:To USD gives us 1,257.14 crore which is higher than what we get by using the average exchange rate for the time when it was running in China(1,243.72 crore). Also, Forbes seems to have used wrong conversion rates for the Taiwan gross. So, that needs to be fixed. ~Rajan51(talk) 10:49, 23 July 2018 (UTC)

The point is that the World Bank is a reliable source, whereas fxtop is a questionable source (it does not look like a reliable source). Therefore, it only makes sense to stick to the World Bank data used by Template:To USD and Template:INRConvert, rather than using fxtop. Whether it's for China, Taiwan, India, or any other currency conversion. Maestro2016 (talk) 17:13, 23 July 2018 (UTC)

Malayalam Movie The Great Father

The Great Father has collected 50 cr and you didn't listed it. The source is from inuth.com. It is a subset of Indian Express . https://www.inuth.com/entertainment/malayalam-movies/kerala-box-office-mammootty-the-great-father-emerges-as-the-actors-first-rs-50-cr-blockbuster/ `Mollywood.lover (talk) 03:25, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

@Mollywood.lover: If I remember correctly, we didn't list it, because the source of the 50 crore claim for The Great Father was the producers. Inuth doesn't say that, but multiple other sources did, and we can't trust what the producers say, because the producers, and especially their promotional departments, are generally lying about their financial accomplishments to attract more viewers. Also, if you're a fan of Indian Express, you should be aware of the crappy job they did reporting Kabali's box office figures, factoring in pre-release income to report super-high numbers, when nobody else ever does that. They cannot be 100% trusted, nor can their "beta" site. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 04:58, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

Then can i show the pulimurugan collection sources also showing the collection said by producers Mollywood.lover (talk) 10:00, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

If you have a problem with any content, you are more than welcome to challenge it by bringing your arguments and proper references. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 15:52, 20 July 2018 (UTC)

@Cyphoidbomb can you show any other sources for aadhi. For aadhi you use only one source not only for it for many movies only one source. For The Great Father you need more sources what is the logic in it ???? Mollywood.lover (talk) 05:28, 23 July 2018 (UTC) @Cyphoidbomb Brother here is another reliable source that showing The Great Father has collected 50 cr . The News Minute is a reliable source. Please do the necessary actions as fast as possible

https://www.thenewsminute.com/article/amala-paul-make-bollywood-debut-arjun-rampal-film-85252 Mollywood.lover (talk) 09:42, 23 July 2018 (UTC)

@Mollywood.lover...pls don't waste time talking to him..even if lal or Antony themselves comes and tell him tat Great father did business of 50 crore,he is not gonna accept it...:)..just wanted to check whether is there anyone else who don't have any partiality can help us..but it seems,this is the only admin...I think the first movie he saw in theaters is Narasimham..and only actor he think can get collection is lal..:)..just see the way he put aadhi in 50 crore..ha ha..pathetic... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sagar.kottappuram777 (talk • contribs) 11:30, 23 July 2018 (UTC)

@Cyphoidbomb here is another link showing The Great Father has collected 50cr Please dont say again that there is only one source for it https://www.thenewsminute.com/article/mammootty-s-great-father-biggest-hit-2017-so-far-60966 Mollywood.lover (talk) 11:07, 25 July 2018 (UTC)

Malayalam film

Great father entered in 50 crore Nabhan nbn (talk) 05:14, 1 July 2018 (UTC)

Abrahaminte santhathikal collect 50crores Aju 7 (talk) 15:16, 31 July 2018 (UTC)

Malayalam Movie The Great Father

This is not the first time a mammootty film is facing this issue.The admin always have some issue for updating his movie collection.Great father has already grossed more than 50 crore.The below likn claims that https://www.inuth.com/entertainment/malayalam-movies/kerala-box-office-mammootty-the-great-father-emerges-as-the-actors-first-rs-50-cr-blockbuster/ @Cyphoidbomb...what is your problem for not updating this?If you are telling this has been claimed by producer and not original,then how come pulimurugan,Oppam,Munthirivallikal,Aadhi in the list?The link you provided for Oppam is from Livemint.what is the relevant of that source?.people are laughing at aadhis collection when antony(producer) claims is as 50 crore..even pulimurugan also the collection is declared by producer...All mohanlal movie collections are being declared by producer and then comes on medias..

When you dont have issues with the above listed movies,why cant you not believe Great father's collection.This is not the first time this topic has comes up..we have had a discussion regarding this couple of months about this..Dude when you are doing a job like this,you should be neutral though u are a supporter of a particular actor...tell me who is the other admin in this page we can reach out to.

@Muhammed.suhail ..@Mollywood.lover...guys is there any other admin which we can reach out to for this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sagar.kottappuram777 (talk • contribs) 08:24, 19 July 2018 (UTC) Only for Mammootty movies this is happening at first they removed pazzhashiraja now The Great Father Mollywood.lover (talk) 09:43, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

I don't know why you've opened multiple discussions about the same subject. It just makes tracking your arguments difficult and I'm not going to spend time doing that. Stick to one discussion thread, please. Also, you're going to have to make your arguments a little clearer, since I'm having trouble following your logic. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 15:12, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

@Cyphoidbomb..what is it difficult to understand?The question is very simple.

1.Why you have removed Great father from the top grossing list?Please dont tell that the producer has claimed that for promotion purpose.If that is the case, all movies like Pulimurugan,Oppam,aadhi,Munthiri,Ramaleela has also been claimed by producers.

2.On what basis you put the movie in list?What is the criteria for the same?All non-mammootty movies?If you tell that it will be based on genuine sources like hindu,deccan,manorama etc..tell me where these medias getting the collection?Are they going each theaters and counting money?At the end of day,we have to believe in distributors/producers figure.If producers are telling figures for promotion purpose,why it is not happening for all movies?

Your double standard on mammootty movies are really pathetic dude.. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sagar.kottappuram777 (talk • contribs) 04:56, 20 July 2018 (UTC)

@Sagar.kottappuram777:The problem for not updating this is that the source that you cited is not consider reliable by WP:ICTFSOURCES and WP:ICTFFAQ. As for the other films that you mentioned, their box office figures have been obtained from sources considered reliable by the Indian Cinema Task Force. You have to support your claim that these sources have obtained the figures from their producers for us to believe it. ~Rajan51(talk) 07:14, 20 July 2018 (UTC)

• @Sagar.kottappuram777: Though I wouldn't use this site as a reliable source, the poster is indicative of the the promotional campaign the producers of The Great Father were engaging in to promote the 50 crore figure, and that's where some of the lazier sources were getting the information. Since Wikipedia doesn't like to use primary sources for controversial claims about the subject, we would be circumspect about the claim, particularly when there are reliable sources that question whether the film's figures were exaggerated. Surely if reliable sources are questioning the figures, you would want us to scrutinize the content, right? Or do we just blindly publish the figures because the producers printed it a big, blocky, gold font?
• "Are they going each theaters and counting money?" Each source has their own proprietary method for determining box office gross, and yes, some outlets have connections with theatres, from which they get rough box office figures, and that they extrapolate into wider estimates. It's an imperfect science, to be sure. Since you have many questions about how the process works, maybe you'd benefit from reading this article so you have a better sense for how inaccurate these figures can be. Note also that Wikipedia isn't the official keeper of Top 10 highest-grossing Indian films lists. If you have a problem with the way your favorite actor's film financials are being presented, then blame Indian media. Wikipedia only includes content that can be attributed to reliable secondary sources. If those secondary sources lack integrity and are just shills for the movie studios, then they're the entire core of the problem. Where is Manorama Online's Top 10 highest grossing Malayalam films of 2017 list? Is The Great Father on it? Does that list agree with other Malayalam news outlets' lists? If not, therein lies the problem.
• "If producers are telling figures for promotion purpose,why it is not happening for all movies?" Who said it's not happening for all movies? It happens for many movies. We try to ignore those figures. Case in point: Kabali (film). The producers were reeeeeeally trying to get the world to believe that the film had achieved amazing records grossing upwards of 600 crore at the box office--or at least that was the illusion they wanted you to believe. In reality, the studio was lumping in 200 crore of pre-release income into the box office figures, and complicit sources like Financial Express/Indian Express were regurgitating these claims and using poor phrasing and factual omissions to perpetuate the confusion. Did we blindly publish those numbers? No. We questioned them. And now we have a more realistic range for their actual box office figures. (Although I still suspect Rob Cain is a promotional shill.)
• "All mohanlal movie collections are being declared by producer and then comes on medias.." Please provide evidence that the majority of movie collections for Mohanlal films are declared by the producer first, then republished by the media. I'll wait while you collect your proof.
• "Only for Mammootty movies this is happening" Patently false. See Kabali example above. There are others, like Mungaru Male, where the lead actor claimed a 75 crore gross, when most of the other outlets were comfortable with 50 crore estimates. I'm not going to dig through the entire history of Indian film edits to disprove your baseless claim.
• "Your double standard on mammootty movies are really pathetic dude" The double-standard exists entirely in your own mind. You have a point of view about The Great Father and how unfair it is that it's not receiving the financial recognition that you think it deserves. Yet you've provided zero proof that any other box office figure originated from a primary source, or that they have been artificially inflated or that the figures have been otherwise disputed in the media. Thus, I can only conclude that your position is entirely emotional, not based on facts. If you have facts, bring facts. I can't do anything with "this is so unfair, it only happens to Mammootty, how come it never happens to Mohanlal?" arguments. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 15:47, 20 July 2018 (UTC)

@Cyphoidbomb can you show any other sources for aadhi. For aadhi you use only one source not only for it for many movies only one source. For The Great Father you need more sources what is the logic in it ???? Mollywood.lover (talk) 05:21, 23 July 2018 (UTC)

I don't understand what you're asking me. I don't see "Aadhi" at List of highest-grossing Indian films. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 15:33, 23 July 2018 (UTC)

@Cyphoidbomb..Dude...We don't need your emotional speech in eassay to glorify lal and his movies...please make it precise ...

1.Dont act too dump saying proof for lal's producers claim the collection first and then media publishes.. It is very simple...just go and check Tomichan mulakupadam,Antony perumbavoor and Sofia pauls page to see the posters saying 50 crore,100 crore and 125 crore...If u r genuine ,I hope u know how to use facebook and u can easily find out.. What more..u jts visit,mohanlal's page to see the actor himself claimed these collections... But as I said,u shuld be genuine..:)..unfortunately not.. And FYI,this trend has been started from Oppam and Drisyam time by lal and Antony and then other follows the same.

2.Still not able to understand the aunthenticity of sources like catch news...:)..u put for Oppam...If u consider manorama as a source,i can give you the link saying that Great father collected 50 crore...but again u will tell that,in that it is mentioned that producer claimed the same...:)

3.Also listen...wiki is not the end of the world and people uses it very well understand it..the reason why I am protesting is,atleast people visit this page can understand the double standard.... Hope if mammootty get an award next year and if he tell that I got an award,as per your logic u will claim that,since mammootty first told in his page that he got an award,we cannot consider that as a source...bcos..ur excuses are as childish as this....:)

If u have the guts,just tell the name of other admins who handle this page...if not just pity on u...grow up dude..

Please don't give a big essay..:) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sagar.kottappuram777 (talk • contribs) 11:25, 23 July 2018 (UTC)

@Sagar.kottappuram777: Re: your point #1, I don't understand what you are trying to say, but I'm not going to do your research for you. You made a baseless claim, so the burden is yours to prove it, not for me to. Also, we should be talking about films that appear on this list article, not elsewhere in the encyclopedia. Re: point #3 as clearly explained above, there is no double standard. If garbage references are used for Mohanlal films we will ignore those too. Feel free to bring that up in a different discussion. As for your request "just tell the name of other admins who handle this page" There are no admins who "handle this page", at least not in the way I think you mean. Any administrator is welcome to watch this article, but no administrators are assigned articles, and there is no list that I can refer to that will tell me what administrators are watching this article. So, unfortunately for you, there's no way for me to answer your question. But it's a moot point anyway, as any other autoconfirmed editor could make the change if there were consensus to do so. Unfortunately, there is no consensus to do so just yet. Lastly, if you don't like essay responses, don't ask so many questions next time. I have a lot of information that could be of help to you, but if your goal is to just ignore it all and say "what about this, what about this, what about this", ultimately that's a waste of everybody's time. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 15:33, 23 July 2018 (UTC)

@Cyphoidbomb..Why are you contradicting your statement?..:) Did'nt you ask me the proof for lal movie being declared by producer?For that when i replied you to check the producer's FB page,you are telling you dont have time to research.You have time to check the sources put by others to check the credibility and you dont have time when i asked.This is what we call double standard.If there is option here to put the screenshot/picture,i can give the proof.Otherwise I can give the link of their FB page.If I put,can you check their pages?

I am talking about movies listed in this page only and not outside.Can you tell me the name of one movie which i mention that is not listed in this page? Oppam is the 3rd highest grosser in this page...lol(even the producer shocked by seeing this)...the source for that is Catchnews..even pulimurugan,aadhi,munthirivallikal..all listed in this page..what is wrong with this..?

If no admin handle this page...just mention some non malayali admin who can check our concern other than you.Let me see whether that person can understand what we say. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sagar.kottappuram777 (talk • contribs) 07:24, 25 July 2018 (UTC)

@Cyphoidbomb..Another genuine source as per you..lol:

https://www.ibtimes.co.in/mollywood-2017-top-malayalam-movies-that-earned-big-kerala-box-office-this-year-753935

If you see the list it contain most of top grossing malayalam movies in this page..Munthirivallikal,Ramaleela,Ezra etc..they have included Great father as well in the list.That is just below Munthirivallikal and above Ezra..:)..But you are telling Ramaleela,Munthiri and Ezra is fine..but not great father..:)..what logic is that dude? One more thing,If you see the details of Ramaleela in above list,it is clearly mentioned that makers are revealed..:)..but you are not considering that... Only for mammootty movies,if makes revealed ,that cannot be considered as genuine..not for others..:)

I know there is no point of telling you this..But still I will keep on putting these kind of sources so that atleast people seeing this will be able to understand..

Lastly..just erase all the discussion we had from you mind and check the above source as a normal person who doesnt have any spl interest towards an actor..you will understand what i meant.. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sagar.kottappuram777 (talk • contribs) 07:37, 25 July 2018 (UTC)

Admin i will provide you another source too for the movie The Great Father which you are saying only one link is there showing 50cr https://www.thenewsminute.com/article/mammootty-s-great-father-biggest-hit-2017-so-far-60966 Mollywood.lover (talk) 08:20, 31 July 2018 (UTC)

For the claim that the trend started with Oppam and Drishyam, it's a misleading and a fallacious argument as the producer has never published any financial numbers for these films. "What about others" will not work here. First of all, you cannot compare The Great Father with any other films on the list. Because, the internet sources has only reported what the producers has claimed - the rib-tickling first day collection 4.31 crore, the math-defying 4 days 20 crore claim[27], and the ridiculous 50 crore. There is no single reliable source that has reported any figures other than this. Where are the sources that reports the collection updates that it reached 15 crore or 25, 30 or 40 crore ? For the all other films on the list there are multiple reliable sources that published this step-by-step collection updates. Why did the reliable news medias refused to report The Great Father gross while they reported others ? It's probably because if published, the collection numbers would not match with the exaggerated numbers projected by the producer, so they don't want that financial discrepancy. Obviously the hardcore fans will not understand this, they are too blind to be reasonable and are busy tagging whoever question their boxoffice numbers as Mohanlal supporter and Mammooty suppressor. 116.68.105.42 (talk) 09:08, 1 August 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 2 August 2018

Devadaths123 (talk) 04:37, 2 August 2018 (UTC)

The Great Father has emerged as the first Mammootty movie to enter the 50-Crore club, by making a total gross collection of 50.07 Crores from the Kerala, rest of India, and UAE/GCC box offices.

Read more at: https://www.filmibeat.com/malayalam/news/2017/the-great-father-box-office-enters-50-crore-club/articlecontent-pf201521-259046.html

Abrahaminte Santhathikal has emerged Second Top Grossing Malayalam Movie Of All Time

Read more at: https://www.filmibeat.com/malayalam/news/2018/abrahaminte-santhathikal-box-office-it-becomes-the-second-top-grossing-malayalam-movie/articlecontent-pf259123-275783.html

Read more at: https://www.filmibeat.com/malayalam/news/2018/abrahaminte-santhathikal-box-office-it-becomes-the-second-top-grossing-malayalam-movie/articlecontent-pf259123-275783.html

 Not done: Wow, for some reason, the 30 March 2017 release of the Malayalam film The Great Father, has suddenly inspired a small legion of brand-new users in July-August 2018 to push for recognition of a 50 crore gross claim proliferated by the film's producers. Sorry, but Filmibeat is not considered a reliable source, especially if they're parroting what the producers have claimed. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 04:57, 2 August 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 14 August 2018

Abrahaminte Santhathikal is currently the second highest grosser in malayalam as revealed by its producers via a facebook post. 2405:204:D38E:F1DE:ACF4:C37B:6502:2158 (talk) 02:02, 14 August 2018 (UTC)

We can't add it unless it is stated by some realible source. Tolly4bolly 02:33, 14 August 2018 (UTC)

As with a lot of Mammooty's movies, here is a reference which states in unequivocal terms that the source for the reference are the producers themselves. And read the last line in the article to understand why nobody, including the media, believes in these inflated numbers. Jupitus Smart 19:16, 18 August 2018 (UTC)

PS: here is another reference from another WP:RS media house. Jupitus Smart 19:20, 18 August 2018 (UTC)

Malayalam Movie The Great Father

I have earlier provided the sources showing that the movie collected 50cr On that time you said only one source is available and you said you need one more So now i am giving two sources which are reliable 1. https://www.inuth.com/entertainment/malayalam-movies/kerala-box-office-mammootty-the-great-father-emerges-as-the-actors-first-rs-50-cr-blockbuster/ 2. https://www.thenewsminute.com/article/mammootty-s-great-father-biggest-hit-2017-so-far-60966 Mollywood.lover (talk) 09:15, 3 September 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 2 September 2018

Remove The Great Father from Malayalam list, fake exaggerated collection. 137.97.38.41 (talk) 08:13, 2 September 2018 (UTC)

 Done L293D (☎ • ✎) 19:23, 2 September 2018 (UTC)

. On what basis you said it is exaggeratted figure i provide two reliable sources if you say that it is exagerrated on what basis pulimurugan oppam drishyam are added Mollywood.lover (talk) 09:18, 3 September 2018 (UTC)

Already discussed this in previous discussions in this talk page. [28] Collection is claimed only by its producer and echoed by mammootty fans. Sources has not reported any collection other than that. For all other films you mentioned, there are multiple reliable sources reporting various collection updates. First of all, you cannot compare with those films. Great father don't even have matching collection required for a 50 crore film in tracked centres, all other films have. This film is nowhere near them.137.97.124.170 (talk) 11:08, 3 September 2018 (UTC)

Oh if you need multiple sources, can you show other reliable sources for the movie Pulimurugan, oppam, drishyam, Ennu ninte moideen, Ezra. One more is can you show other source showing that Pulimurugan collects 152 cr Mollywood.lover (talk) 03:38, 4 September 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 3 September 2018

Remove exaggerated The Great Father from Malayalam. It's challenged fake collection. Mollywood.lover re added it ignoring long previous discussions on this page, came back after Lowercase sigmabot III removed old discussions. 137.97.30.38 (talk) 10:39, 3 September 2018 (UTC)

 Not done: According to reliable sources, such as [29] or [30], the film has grossed 50cr. L293D (☎ • ✎) 13:18, 7 September 2018 (UTC)

Aadhi and great father collected 50 crore

Malayalam collection information is wrong Nabhan nbn (talk) 04:25, 22 September 2018 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 26 September 2018

Mollywood.lover (talk) 08:15, 26 September 2018 (UTC) Mollywood.lover (talk) 08:15, 26 September 2018 (UTC)

 Not done Please describe the edit you wish to be made. Fish+Karate 11:07, 26 September 2018 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 29 September 2018

The decimal point on the gross money made by bajrangi bhaijan is off by one digit. Rgaikwad88 (talk) 23:40, 29 September 2018 (UTC)

 Done I assume you mean in the US dollars conversion? I've fixed that here. @Rajan51, Maestro2016, and Jupitus Smart: If any of you are familiar with this style of formatting, can you please double-check my edit to make sure I did it correctly? I don't really understand the formatting. Thanks. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 00:12, 30 September 2018 (UTC)

It's correct. Looks like I had forgotten to add that extra zero for representing in millions for conversion. Rajan51 (talk) 14:35, 1 October 2018 (UTC)

Great Father

Discussed this many times and still not able to understand why Great father cant be put in 50 crore club...Another report after 100 days run claiming its 50 crore collection..in this no where they have mentioned about the producer claim.what is stopping now?

Also how can u consider catchnews as a source for munthirivallikal and Ezra...what is the relevance of that website?Too much of intolerance for mammootty movies by admins who is handling this...guys what is your problem? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sagar.kottappuram777 (talk • contribs) 08:01, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

https://www.thenewsminute.com/article/mammoottys-great-father-hits-century-64874 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sagar.kottappuram777 (talk • contribs) 07:55, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

https://www.inuth.com/entertainment/malayalam-movies/kerala-box-office-mammootty-the-great-father-emerges-as-the-actors-first-rs-50-cr-blockbuster/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sagar.kottappuram777 (talk • contribs) 08:39, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 16 October 2018

kannada top grodding film (OCT 2018) Dar$han $hanbhag (talk) 14:29, 16 October 2018 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. - FlightTime (open channel) 14:32, 16 October 2018 (UTC)

Spyder Collections

Spyder collection is 212.84 Crores Urstrulyashish1 (talk) 07:42, 26 October 2018 (UTC)

@Urstrulyashish1: Prove it. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 15:31, 26 October 2018 (UTC)

Telugu movies collection is not up-to-date

Hi Team,

Telugu movie grosser is showing incorrect.. the new movie aravinda sametha Veera ragava collected more than 150 crores. Where is that movie name in the list ?

Update it else no one will refer your Wikipedia Pr265095 (talk) 09:47, 23 October 2018 (UTC)

@Pr265095: We don't make changes without quality references. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 15:32, 26 October 2018 (UTC)

Telugu movie collections

Hi there, I had a question regarding the Telugu movie collections. It seems that Jr. NTR's films are not there despite Janatha Garage, Jai Lava Kusa, and Aravinda Sametha Veera Raghava all grossing more than the last film on the list, Geetha Govindam (according to each article's respective infobox, anyways). Also, shouldn't Srimanthudu be lower on the list because of its lower gross compared to Khaidi No. 150? Thanks. 2604:C340:AC:1:E052:86D:F0D7:CE95 (talk) 20:22, 6 November 2018 (UTC)

In fact, looking through the infoboxes of the movies in this Telugu list, it seems that most of these numbers have to be updated per the references used in each individual article. 2604:C340:AC:1:E052:86D:F0D7:CE95 (talk) 20:31, 6 November 2018 (UTC)

This is the inherent problem with lists of this nature. Since there is no one authority on film rankings in Indian cinema, or Telugu Indian cinema, Wikipedia has somehow become the arbiter of the top 10 highest-grossing Telugu films. Where are the Telugu news outlets to weigh in on this and agree on a ranking, so that it's not up to Wikipedia? And how do we prove that there are no films in between the others you've listed that may have grossed more? Cyphoidbomb (talk) 06:48, 7 November 2018 (UTC)

(Those above messages were sent by me, guess I forgot to log in, whoops). I can see your point. It is rather unfortunate that Wikipedia is in this awkward position. I'm afraid I don't have a solution to those issues. Shrev64 (talk) 07:21, 7 November 2018 (UTC)

@Shrev64: You could always go through those films and reorganise them in the highest-grossing list. It's quite possible that over time some films got bumped out by accident or perniciously. Regards, Cyphoidbomb (talk) 16:03, 7 November 2018 (UTC)

Tamil movies gross

Remove Verram as that entry doesn't have any citations on it. Add the recent movies sarkar to the list as the it has grossed 150CR also the movie is still in screens

GondorianSteward (talk) 23:59, 11 November 2018 (UTC)

 Not done In these edits I restored Lingaa, which had been removed without justification by Namelesswarrior55. When the myriad sources feel that Sarkar has comfortably exceeded Lingaa's 154 crore, then we can boot Lingaa off the list. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 01:46, 12 November 2018 (UTC)

References

Semi-protected edit request on 14 November 2018

Malayalam film Kayamkulam Kochunni (2018 film) grossed 70 crore worldwide. https://www.thenewsminute.com/article/nivin-pauly-s-kayamkulam-kochunni-grosses-rs-70-crore-91090 2405:204:D381:59FA:CDF4:FE47:4821:726F (talk) 04:44, 14 November 2018 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. DannyS712 (talk) 04:53, 14 November 2018 (UTC)

Tugs of Hindustan

Tugs of Hindustan not even crossed 150cr as per trade analyst tharan adharsh..but how can you people put that movie in 200cr weekend collection list.. Vshek (talk) 05:48, 17 November 2018 (UTC)

 Not done Need references. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 15:25, 17 November 2018 (UTC)

Kayamkulam Kochunni -58 crore..sources cinetrak,newminutes???

Again the very own sincere admins..how can you put cinetrak and newminutes as a trusted source and on what basis you put kochunni collected 58 crore..is it bcos lal acted in that?Is this rules applicable only for mamootty's movie???catchnews,newminutes,cinetrack etc...what kind of sources are these? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.16.230.15 (talk) 09:00, 20 November 2018 (UTC)

No valid source for two Telugu movies

The box office collection of two Telugu movies seems to be source-less. They are Rangasthalam and Bharat Ane Nenu. In fact, the numbers claimed were not true according to some recent articles. Take a look at a reliable source which claims the box office collection of Rangasthalam and Bharat Ane Nenu accordingly. 1. https://www.ibtimes.co.in/rangasthalam-50-day-box-office-collection-ram-charan-delivers-highest-grosser-2018-769553 2. https://www.ibtimes.co.in/bharat-ane-nenu-total-box-office-collection-mahesh-babu-starrer-completes-50-days-771352 So the exact figure of The above movies should be corrected to, Rangasthalam- 210 Crores and Bharat Ane Nenu- 225 Crores. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.164.223.142 (talk) 10:53, 18 November 2018 (UTC)

 Done by Rajan51 here. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 15:08, 20 November 2018 (UTC)

Kayamkulam Kochunni

Admins..please clarify how Kayamkulam kochnnu came in the list.The source you provided is manorama.In that it is mentioned that the makers has confirmed the collection.As per the rule you created for Great father,if the source has something like "makers confirmed",it should not have been considered as a source right?Then why it is not applicable for Kayamkulam Kochunni?Again and again you are showing partiality for mammotty movies.If you are doing a duty,at least do it sincerely...If you have any answer,then please clarify. This is the question to you Cyphoidbomb — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sagar.kottappuram777 (talk • contribs) 09:34, 27 November 2018 (UTC)

Highest grossing films in Tamil

Sarkar - 300 Crores — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vijaymessi (talk • contribs) 09:23, 25 November 2018 (UTC)

 Not done Need references. Rajan51 (talk) 10:47, 28 November 2018 (UTC)

2.0 Film 3 days WW collection

"Change the collection of tamil movie 2.0 from 200 crores WW to 290 crores WW as reported by Mr. Ramesh Bala,trade analyst earlier this hour."

references- "https://twitter.com/rameshlaus/status/1069197638589763584."
Purnachandrashekarv (talk) 12:36, 2 December 2018 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Twitter is not a reliable source as twitter users self-publish the content in it, thus self-published. For this reason it can be considered that you have not provided any reliable sources with your requested change, since the Twitter link was the only thing that you have provided in your request. Please find another link that leads to a reliable source, and create another request with that reliable source. Aceing_Winter_Snows_Harsh_Cold (talk) 04:04, 3 December 2018 (UTC)