Talk:List of footballers in England by number of league goals

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Gordon Hodgson

His goals at Liverpool and Leeds United take him above the 200 threshold. However I don't know how many he scored at Aston Villa.--EchetusXe 15:45, 7 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

11 goals in 28 games. Giant Snowman 16:28, 7 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

thnx.--EchetusXe 12:17, 8 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Kevin Phillips (footballer)

Has over 200 league goals but is still playing.--Echetus Xe 12:23, 17 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Phillips is now added. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 119.236.148.96 (talk) 06:43, 21 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Denis Law

Denis Law is Scottish but has an England flag next to his name. Sleepysod (talk) 15:09, 3 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed. In future, be bold! Jmorrison230582 (talk) 22:25, 3 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Scotland?

Why are England and Scotland both included in this list? Admittedly, a lot of people have crossed the border, but this mixes statistics of two entirely separate football league systems without a real reason. —W F C— 05:16, 17 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

We had a discussion about this at WP:FOOTBALL, back when the article was first started. Partly, yes, because there has been an awful lot of crossover, and partly because most of the sources available include both English & Scottish league records. Giant Snowman 10:31, 17 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Goals per game??

Shouldnt there be a column showing goals per game so that people can see who scored most in that way too? Like Brian Clough who scored 270 goals in 290 games or something like that - that was and still is a phenomenal scoring rate! It should be included. 90.17.24.134 (talk) 22:53, 26 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

WP:NOTSTATS applies. Giant Snowman 07:58, 27 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Split discussion

I propose that this article should be split into separate articles- 1 for England, 1 for Scotland. They are completely different league systems, and so no reason why they should be together in 1 article. Proposed new articles would be List of footballers in England by number of league goals and List of footballers in Scotland by number of league goals, to keep naming consistency with this article. Joseph2302 (talk) 16:46, 21 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Seems like the right thing to do. R96Skinner (talk) 18:07, 21 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. No reason to combine the two into one article. I'm pretty sure we don't have any other articles which mash stats/records from two different countries/League systems together -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 20:19, 21 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The reason why they were included together was because of the Neil Brown site. Giant Snowman 20:25, 21 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Also any decision here should also be reflected at List of footballers in England and Scotland by number of league appearances. Giant Snowman 20:27, 21 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Support split. As a combined list I see it as a list for list sake. Illogical. Listcruft. It is meaningless; next someone will want a list of top goal scorers in bundesliga and/or serie-a. Also, although it doesn't appear to specifically exclude current players anywhere, the opening para says This includes the appearances and goals of former player which apparently means to restrict it to former players, looking at revision history. This also doesn't seem logical. I see no sense in a list of top goal scorers that doesn't include the top goal scorers simply because they haven't hung up their boots yet. And if it stays for former players only it should be renamed to reflect that for accuracy and prevent periodic innocent passers by from being reverted and accused of vandalism. ClubOranje^T 08:03, 22 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Support, no particularly good reason for combining statistics from multiple league systems, given that other resources are now available (e.g. Hugman) Jmorrison230582 (talk) 22:03, 25 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Support, No reason at all for this combo. --SuperJew (talk) 07:56, 26 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Support, as per reasons above.Crowsus (talk) 10:23, 26 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Support split. While there is some logic to combining the two (not just the source website but also the historical movement of players between the two league systems), this would seem to be greatly outweighed by them being separate league systems and thus a somewhat arbitrary combination. --Jameboy (talk) 22:08, 26 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Support, as said above, there are no other lists where two nations' statistics are mixed together. Although there are well documented links and history between the two league systems, this doesn't translate to combining statistics of the two. Andygray110 (talk) 05:46, 29 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral, the original reason as to why there was a single list for England and Scotland, as opposed to two separate lists, was due to the amount of crossover between the leagues. If the 200 goals minimum is carried across into two separate articles, it may be the case that there wouldn't be enough content to warrant the two articles in the first place (I haven't checked this, however) - especially as some players will only meet the 200 goals figure as a result of their goals in both England and Scotland (not doing so in either individually). That being said, having separate articles for separate league systems does make sense and the limit could be reduced to 150 (for example) should size become an issue. I'm not opposed to the splitting of the article, however I'm not supportive per se. Clyde1998 (talk) 04:08, 2 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

There is a clear consensus to split these articles. When will this be concluded? Jmorrison230582 (talk) 08:48, 16 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Not yet, it seems... Might do it tomorrow. Crowsus (talk) 23:32, 30 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

It is done. Crowsus (talk) 20:24, 1 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

WT:Football

Hi all,

To whoever follows this page, I have put a discussion on WT:Football for suggestions of a change to this list, namely removing the Nationality and Position columns, adding a Goals:Games column that can be automatically changed and putting the clubs that each player appeared for into the table rather than just a number. For a preview, please head to WT:Football. Thanks! Felixsv7 (talk) 15:50, 11 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Missing players - Micky Quinn, Jimmy Quinn, Scott McGleish, Frank Large, Jordan Rhodes

Hi All

I've found five players missing from this list - Micky Quinn 230, Jimmy Quinn 210, Scott McGleish 208, Frank Large 208 and Jordan Rhodes 202 (Rhodes is active). I can also see that David Jack's figure needs correcting - it includes 7 goals scored for Plymouth Argyle in 1919/20 when they were still in the Southern League so correct overall tally should be 260 not 267

I'm fairly new to WP and this table is quite complex so I'll work on updates and sources/citations in my sandbox ColchesterSid (talk) 15:24, 30 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Jack Cock, Brian Bedford, Pat Terry, Alex Dawson, Barrie Thomas, Jimmy Quinn, Scott McGleish, Frank Large all need to be added - I'll try and find time next week ColchesterSid (talk) 10:30, 19 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@ColchesterSid: Done Quinn, McGleish and Large! Felixsv7 (talk) 14:17, 19 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@ColchesterSid: And done the rest! Felixsv7 (talk) 11:23, 26 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Why the need for goals outside England?

Why are there so many notes regarding other goals scored in other countries? The page title is ….in England by number of league goals. I don’t see the need for these, both personally and from a Wikipedia stance, considering the page title. All their goals will be listed elsewhere, in relevant pages. Also why are the current players outside England in italics? They make no difference whatsoever to the table. Spare Koppers (talk) 22:28, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The notes about goals outside England crept in when the page was updated from goals in England & Scotland to just goals in England in Dec 2019. I can't see any discussion from the split that mentions these notes but @Crowsus might have some input here. Personally I agree notes are not needed. Re: the player(s) in italics I've no opinion either way ColchesterSid (talk) 22:55, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah looks like it was me who added it but can't really remember doing it. My reasoning would definitely have come from the split and wanting to keep some note of players who scored high numbers on both, so from that I think I decided I might as well include the foreign leagues too (since they mostly have more merit than the Scottish league). I would like the quick note above the table about the Scotland-England connection to stay, but I agree the goals scored in the other leagues has no bearing on England so so objection at all to its removal. Crowsus (talk) 07:20, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

OK, I've removed the notes, removed italics from Harry Kane and the associated note and also removed the notes about players with fewer than 200 goals (did not seem very relevant and at least one of the players was a long way short of 200). I can also see a couple of players don't have citations so I'll add those later ColchesterSid (talk) 11:04, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]