Talk:List of countries by food self-sufficiency rate

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The article is misleading

This article is wrong/misleading I don't know how to edit wikipedia. But these statisics are wrong. While it is following the sourse "FAO statistical pocket book 2012 - World Food and Agriculture", that sourse is wrong. At least regarding Norway.

While the 50% is a official statistic taken from offical norwegian sourses. The way it is defined in Norway is not the same as in Australia. If Norway self-suffisency is defined as precentage of calories eaten by people in Norway. So it can by definition not go over 100%. And do not count exports. So obviously it is not the same as tho top nations. So the source is bad. The number thes includes export, what I assume the top nation uses, is in Norwegian called "dekningsgrad". Not "sjølvforsyning" as self-sufficensy would directly translate to. The "dekningsgrad" is assumed to be 90%. When non-traditionaly food parts of fish/other foods are removed.

I hope someone can make this article bettre. Or remove it until a correct one can be made. 94.139.74.104 (talk) 17:00, 24 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

With respect to changing the statistics I confess I do not know what the official wikipedian policy on this specific issue is but this is a proper table sourced from an offical document, in a sense the fault lies not on wikipedia for presenting the information but on the FAO for failing to properly acquire their documentation. In some respects, the information should remain becuase it does come from an official source and it may, despite the flaw you have identified be otherwise factually correct. However, that does not mean it should remain subject to no alteration, precisely because of the faulty standards the FAO may use in the acertainment of these statistics. If you could provide a reputable source (or sources) that clearly identifies or at the very least implies a difference in the methods for attaining the self sufficieny percentages, then I would be happy to edit the article for you. Frodo.mintoff (talk) 15:04, 25 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I've examined how Norway calculates its self-sufficiency ratio, based on information from NIBIO, Norway's official statistics provider on this topic. The detailed explanation can be found here: [1].

According to NIBIO, the definition of self-sufficiency rate they use, is theoretically capped at 100 percent. Self sufficiency including exports, is considered under the term 'coverage rate,' which can exceed 100 percent. This distinction is crucial for understanding Norway's self-sufficiency data, which, as defined, hovers around 50%, while the coverage rate, including exports, is approximately 90% (see table in the above link).

This finding indicates a potential discrepancy in the FAO's original source, as some countries are reported with self-sufficiency rates over 100%. It seems the FAO report might not have adequately quality assured its sources, leading to possible inaccuracies. Given this, I've removed the table from the article for accuracy.

For reference, here is the original FAO report: [2]. Espen Sirnes (talk) 09:59, 16 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Seriously what is this? Where is even Singapore? It would be a really important topic.

. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.230.148.74 (talk) 20:00, 22 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Web archive of source material

Hi, the referenced source is no longer available at the URL given. The Wayback Machine has a copy at

http://web.archive.org/web/20130620023858/http://www.fao.org/docrep/016/i2493e/i2493e03.pdf

I was not able to figure out how to update the citation to include the Internet Archive link. I hope an editor can help fix the citation.

This article has been shared on social media in Norway in an ongoing discussion, which I would say mostly relates to the view that farmers are not properly compensated, which leads Norway to be highly dependent on imports. I know that the statistics in question are controversial, but they have been published by a reputable source, and if the article is to stay on Wikipedia, it would be wise to have the source material available. KaldeFakta68 (talk) 00:38, 3 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Done Cmr08 (talk) 05:51, 3 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Needs recent data

The key source cited for the country ranking is from 2012. That's over 10 years ago, with many of the listed countries having experienced one kind of major upset or another. I'm not familiar with the subject matter, but it would be good if someone who is could provide an update. Meanwhile, I think it should be made clear that this information is stale. 142.181.247.43 (talk) 14:55, 8 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]