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Infobox

I recently went ahead and added an infobox to the article and was reverted by David Fuchs who said "I don't think the infobox adds much here". I'm confused by this rationale, as no infobox should really be "adding" anything to an article. The point is to provide a quick summary of the key points that are already in the article per MOS:INFOBOXPURPOSE. I know it isn't required, but it is generally expected and certainly useful to those who may want to see the key things without searching through prose. - adamstom97 (talk) 11:44, 13 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It's a diffuse film series covering decades with drastically different cast, creative teams, etc. I don't particularly see the utility of deciding the most important elements of the franchise are a based on credit, production company, and cumulative grosses without any context. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs ^talk 18:11, 14 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It is a summary of the details in the article, no infobox has context. I didn't try to cram the different producers, actors, and production companies all into the infobox so I just included the elements that apply to all films. - adamstom97 (talk) 21:41, 14 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Kelvin Origin film

There also seems to be some question as to whether the origin movie is set in The Kelvin Timeline. However, during CinemaCon Paramount confirmed that the movie is set decades before the 2009 movie (see reference).--DisneyMetalhead (talk) 06:21, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That source does not confirm what timeline the film is set in, you are making an assumption. Before the 2009 film could be in the 24th century of the Prime Timeline, and it could also be early in either timeline since that film is the divergence point. Plus, we have a reliable source saying the film could be a prequel to both timelines. We need to wait until we get further clarification about the setting. - adamstom97 (talk) 08:03, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I really am not assuming as additional reliable sources (here and here) identify the movie as taking place prior to The Kelvin Timeline, and identifying the movie as a prequel to those films. DisneyMetalhead (talk) 01:50, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Those are not "additional sources", they are repeating the reports that we already have. And if you look at the sources that we have listed in the article you will see that there is conflicting information about which timeline the film will be set in. We need further clarification before we can confirm if it is a Kelvin film or not. - adamstom97 (talk) 08:16, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

TV film(?)

Lastly, the topic regarding the specification of "TV film" for Star Trek: 31 -- it has been stated that the movie is "a TV movie". My argument would be that this specifier is misleading to the average leader, given that the term is generally used for a movie that airs on broadcast television. Wouldn't some other statement be more helpful/effective in this article? The movie is developed for a direct-to-streaming platform.--DisneyMetalhead (talk) 06:21, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Series created for streaming, including the modern Star Trek series, are called "television series". There is consensus at WP:TV to generally avoid the term "streaming series" as it suggests that there is a difference between series created for streaming and series created for traditional television networks. It also suggests that series created for streaming are more like web series. The same principles apply for films created for streaming. - adamstom97 (talk) 08:07, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with DisneyMetalhead that including made-for-TV movies (or the modern equivalent) on a "List of Star Trek films" when all the others were specifically created for and shown theatrically is a bit off. Section 31 is its own thing and I don't think should be included here, especially since a lot of the other common discussions (like grosses, CinemaScores, what critics are likely to be covering the film for reception) are not going to be the same. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs ^talk 16:15, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think DisneyMetalhead said anything about that. This section is discussing whether the term "television film" is appropriate for a film that is made for streaming rather than traditional television. As for whether it should be included in this list, it is still a film and this is not "List of Star Trek theatrical films" or "List of Star Trek feature films". It would also be way too early to discuss splitting it off to its own list since there is only on TV film so far. Maybe in the future if we get more then that could be a possibility. - adamstom97 (talk) 16:25, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm still not so sure that the indicator of "TV Film" makes a lot of sense... seeing as it's not a TV film. DisneyMetalhead (talk) 01:47, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It is a film made for television. The definition of television has changed in the last decade or so to include streaming services. That is why all the new Star Trek series made for Paramount+ are listed at List of Star Trek television series and not separated out to List of Star Trek streaming series. - adamstom97 (talk) 08:14, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Movies timelines again

Movies timelines must be separated here, on main page and in the Template:Star Trek too. There two timelines - main and Kelvine. Section 31 is part of Main timeline and this will be shown.

Extended content

Here:

Main Timeline
- The Original Series films
  - Star Trek: The Motion Picture (1979)
  - Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan (1982)
  - Star Trek III: The Search for Spock (1984)
  - Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home (1986)
  - Star Trek V: The Final Frontier (1989)
  - Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country (1991)
- The Next Generation films
  - Star Trek Generations (1994)
  - Star Trek: First Contact (1996)
  - Star Trek: Insurrection (1998)
  - Star Trek: Nemesis (2002)
- Television films
  - Star Trek: Section 31 (2025)
Reboot (Kelvin Timeline) films
- Star Trek (2009)
- Star Trek Into Darkness (2013)
- Star Trek Beyond (2016)

Template:

Main Page:

Main Timeline

Film	U.S. release date	Director(s)	Screenwriter(s)	Story by	Producer(s)
The Original Series
Star Trek: The Motion Picture	December 7, 1979 (1979-12-07)	Robert Wise	Harold Livingston	Alan Dean Foster	Gene Roddenberry
Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan	June 4, 1982 (1982-06-04)	Nicholas Meyer	Jack B. Sowards	Harve Bennett and Jack B. Sowards	Robert Sallin
Star Trek III: The Search for Spock	June 1, 1984 (1984-06-01)	Leonard Nimoy	Harve Bennett
Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home	November 26, 1986 (1986-11-26)	Leonard Nimoy	Steve Meerson, Peter Krikes, Nicholas Meyer and Harve Bennett	Harve Bennett and Leonard Nimoy	Harve Bennett
Star Trek V: The Final Frontier	June 9, 1989 (1989-06-09)	William Shatner	David Loughery	William Shatner, Harve Bennett and David Loughery	Harve Bennett
Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country	December 6, 1991 (1991-12-06)	Nicholas Meyer	Nicholas Meyer and Denny Martin Flinn	Leonard Nimoy, Lawrence Konner and Mark Rosenthal	Ralph Winter and Steven-Charles Jaffe
The Next Generation
Star Trek Generations	November 18, 1994 (1994-11-18)	David Carson	Ronald D. Moore and Brannon Braga	Rick Berman, Brannon Braga and Ronald D. Moore	Rick Berman
Star Trek: First Contact	November 22, 1996 (1996-11-22)	Jonathan Frakes	Brannon Braga and Ronald D. Moore	Rick Berman, Brannon Braga and Ronald D. Moore
Star Trek: Insurrection	December 11, 1998 (1998-12-11)	Jonathan Frakes	Michael Piller	Rick Berman and Michael Piller
Star Trek: Nemesis	December 13, 2002 (2002-12-13)	Stuart Baird	John Logan	John Logan, Rick Berman and Brent Spiner
Television films
Star Trek: Section 31	January 24, 2025 (2025-01-24)^[1]	Olatunde Osunsanmi	Craig Sweeny		N/A

Kelvin Timeline

Film	U.S. release date	Director(s)	Screenwriter(s)	Producer(s)
Reboot (Kelvin Timeline)
Star Trek	May 8, 2009 (2009-05-08)	J. J. Abrams	Roberto Orci & Alex Kurtzman	J. J. Abrams and Damon Lindelof
Star Trek Into Darkness	May 17, 2013 (2013-05-17)	J. J. Abrams	Roberto Orci, Alex Kurtzman & Damon Lindelof	J. J. Abrams, Bryan Burk, Damon Lindelof, Alex Kurtzman and Roberto Orci
Star Trek Beyond	July 22, 2016 (2016-07-22)	Justin Lin	Simon Pegg & Doug Jung	J. J. Abrams, Roberto Orci, Lindsey Weber and Justin Lin

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Lado85 (talk) 06:08, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Why "must" they be separated? It would be forcing an unnecessary additional level of structure on the list, and one based on in-universe details rather than real-world production information. The articles already make it clear that the Kelvin films are set in an alternate timeline, and if it is not clear that Section 31 is set in the original timeline then that can be handled in prose. - adamstom97 (talk) 09:20, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It's not problem to add additional levels in template or table, it's used in many templates an tables.

Table can be done in this way, adding only one row:

Extended content

Film	U.S. release date	Director(s)	Screenwriter(s)	Story by	Producer(s)
MAIN TIMELINE
The Original Series
Star Trek: The Motion Picture	December 7, 1979 (1979-12-07)	Robert Wise	Harold Livingston	Alan Dean Foster	Gene Roddenberry
Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan	June 4, 1982 (1982-06-04)	Nicholas Meyer	Jack B. Sowards	Harve Bennett and Jack B. Sowards	Robert Sallin
Star Trek III: The Search for Spock	June 1, 1984 (1984-06-01)	Leonard Nimoy	Harve Bennett
Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home	November 26, 1986 (1986-11-26)	Leonard Nimoy	Steve Meerson, Peter Krikes, Nicholas Meyer and Harve Bennett	Harve Bennett and Leonard Nimoy	Harve Bennett
Star Trek V: The Final Frontier	June 9, 1989 (1989-06-09)	William Shatner	David Loughery	William Shatner, Harve Bennett and David Loughery	Harve Bennett
Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country	December 6, 1991 (1991-12-06)	Nicholas Meyer	Nicholas Meyer and Denny Martin Flinn	Leonard Nimoy, Lawrence Konner and Mark Rosenthal	Ralph Winter and Steven-Charles Jaffe
The Next Generation
Star Trek Generations	November 18, 1994 (1994-11-18)	David Carson	Ronald D. Moore and Brannon Braga	Rick Berman, Brannon Braga and Ronald D. Moore	Rick Berman
Star Trek: First Contact	November 22, 1996 (1996-11-22)	Jonathan Frakes	Brannon Braga and Ronald D. Moore	Rick Berman, Brannon Braga and Ronald D. Moore
Star Trek: Insurrection	December 11, 1998 (1998-12-11)	Jonathan Frakes	Michael Piller	Rick Berman and Michael Piller
Star Trek: Nemesis	December 13, 2002 (2002-12-13)	Stuart Baird	John Logan	John Logan, Rick Berman and Brent Spiner
Television films
Star Trek: Section 31	January 24, 2025 (2025-01-24)^[1]	Olatunde Osunsanmi	Craig Sweeny		N/A
REBOOT (KELVIN TIMELINE)
Star Trek	May 8, 2009 (2009-05-08)	J. J. Abrams	Roberto Orci & Alex Kurtzman		J. J. Abrams and Damon Lindelof
Star Trek Into Darkness	May 17, 2013 (2013-05-17)	J. J. Abrams	Roberto Orci, Alex Kurtzman & Damon Lindelof		J. J. Abrams, Bryan Burk, Damon Lindelof, Alex Kurtzman and Roberto Orci
Star Trek Beyond	July 22, 2016 (2016-07-22)	Justin Lin	Simon Pegg & Doug Jung		J. J. Abrams, Roberto Orci, Lindsey Weber and Justin Lin

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Lado85 (talk) 13:33, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not saying there is any problem with doing it technically, I'm asking why it needs to be done at all. I already gave some reasons for why I think it shouldn't. - adamstom97 (talk) 13:54, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Because it must be able to get information about watching chronology and timeline without reading whole article. Lado85 (talk) 15:39, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Again, why "must" it? We include in-universe details for context, but they are not the primary purpose of the entire article. - adamstom97 (talk) 15:49, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There is purpose. Two chronologies, that is not related to each other must be separated. Lado85 (talk) 12:18, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Again, why "must" they? - adamstom97 (talk) 09:24, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Because they are two different chronologies not connected to each other. User must can easily get information about watching chronology, without reading whole article. For this moment you you can't understand which chronology does Section 31 belong to. Lado85 (talk) 12:10, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That can be resolved with prose. Again, I don't see why we "must" use additional headings to convey this in-universe information. - adamstom97 (talk) 12:50, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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