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Category:International Congress of Mathematicians created on August 12, 2013.

Category:ICM Plenary and Invited Speakers by year nominated for deletion on September 2, 2015.

Todo: 2018

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2018 ICM speakers have been announced. http://www.icm2018.org/portal/en/icm-speakers — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.255.177.223 (talk) 16:53, 25 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Names

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All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 19:55, 25 September 2015 (UTC).[reply]

All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 20:11, 25 September 2015 (UTC).[reply]

Rich, If you are pointing out existence of two different names (about the same subject) in a single list then I don't think that is an issue. I have been intentionally doing this because the official ICM list uses different formats for different years: sometimes initials, sometimes in full or sometimes initials only for the middle word in a three word name.
Btw only three more years needs to be added then this list will be complete (finally!) but we need to decide beforehand who is going to do them. I haven't started the wiki-formatting the 1998 speakers (yet). Solomon7968 20:13, 25 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
OK, suppose someone looks for "Riabouchinsky" wondering which year they attended? Maybe a note in the lead would be better. All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 20:19, 25 September 2015 (UTC).[reply]
I support consistency for the blue links but that only after all of the necessary redirects are created. I have been creating many redirects myself. See Special:RecentChangesLinked/List of International Congresses of Mathematicians Plenary and Invited Speakers or this. I prefer keeping redlinks alone for a while. When articles get created they can be replaced here by the WP:COMMONNAME (after creating redirects). Solomon7968 20:28, 25 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Sounds sensible. I put 2006 in, let me know if you would like me to do any more. I have been trying to check that all the links are to - if not the right person, at least to a mathematician. All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 20:47, 25 September 2015 (UTC).[reply]
OK, Please go ahead. 1998 and 2002 speakers are yours! Solomon7968 20:52, 25 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Question on Bertram Walsh/John Walsh at ICM 1974

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I think that in the List of Plenary and Invited Speakers, ICM, ==1974==, the ICM database itself has a redundancy. My guess is that Bertram Walsh & John Walsh are the same person, namely Bertram John Walsh. Is my guess wrong? Suslindisambiguator (talk) 18:30, 26 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Suslin, the guess may or may not be true. Both of them gave lectures in Probability theory and a Math Genealogy query turns up John Bradstreet Walsh who was a student of probabilist Joseph Leo Doob. So I prefer leaving it as it is unless compelling evidence to the contrary emerges.
And btw it is best to discuss all issues related to this page here rather than spreading it on umpteen talk and user talk pages. Solomon7968 19:06, 26 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

My guess is wrong. Bertram & John are 2 distinct invited speakers. http://www.mprime.ca/node/396 John Walsh bio Suslindisambiguator (talk) 11:22, 7 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the link to the bio. It settles it. Solomon7968 13:12, 7 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

L. M. Dickson

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The Plenary and Invited Speakers list of ICM 1908 has an entry named "L. M. Dickson". I am assuming it is a typographical error. But are they really two different person? Solomon7968 16:49, 1 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

It is certain that Dickson of the U. of Chicago was an invited speaker at the 1908 ICM. "L. M." is almost certainly a typo. http://www.ams.org/journals/bull/1908-15-01/S0002-9904-1908-01685-9/S0002-9904-1908-01685-9.pdf 4th ICM Suslindisambiguator (talk) 12:47, 7 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Neither our article nor MacTutor mentions his speaker-ship in main article body. He also gave plenary lectures in 1920 & 1924 which MacTutor mentions in "Honours awarded to Leonard Dickson" in the end. All speaker-ship (both invited and plenary) should be mentioned in our main article text. Solomon7968 13:16, 7 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Missing

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For example Anatoly Maltsev, plenary speaker Moscow 1966. Also Postnikov, Kirillov, Zadeh, Aleksander Pełczyński and some others (co-authors of the talks). Also in 1932 Nikolai Chebotaryov is missing ans some others like Ernst Kolman, Nikolai Günther, Jean Delsarte.--Claude J (talk) 09:11, 27 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Tool

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For folks here who want to sort through redirects and disambiguation(s) in this list, User:Anomie/linkclassifier will surely be of help. Solomon7968 15:25, 4 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Linking

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I just created two redirects:

The goal is to create internal links of this list via the User:Edward/Find link tool. The tool will produce in the respective cases the piped links:

  • [[List of International Congresses of Mathematicians Plenary and Invited Speakers|invited speaker at the International Congress of Mathematicians]]
  • [[List of International Congresses of Mathematicians Plenary and Invited Speakers|plenary speaker at the International Congress of Mathematicians]]

I am hoping that I have got the grammar of the syntax right (e.g. s of "speaker" shouldn't be capitalized). There is one caveat here, the tool won't work if the syntax on the articles on the speakers contains a wording such as "...speaker at the [year] International Congress of Mathematicians" (i.e. the [year] bit introduced between the syntax).

I prefer to do the linking bit myself because otherwise it will give a host of useless notifications, as I am the article creator. Solomon7968 15:45, 4 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I completed linking (using the tool) this list to the speaker articles which contains the necessary wiki text. The number of links currently is slightly above 100 which is pretty low. Now what needs to be done is going through all of the links and adding the necessary wiki text.
I noticed that some of the articles which contains the wiki text sources the fact to MacTutor or the CV of the subject. While that is enough to meet WP:V I would prefer all of them to link to the official ICM database. Solomon7968 18:12, 4 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Motivation

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I think to motivate our readers we should be adding some of the most important events which happened at the ICMs. I added a bit on Hilbert's problems. Looking around I found out:

Here's a better and earlier reference for Knuth (although as a book review it still may not have gone through much peer review): von zur Gathen, J. (2002), "Selected papers on analysis of algorithms, CSLI lecture notes, no. 102 [Book Review]" (PDF), IEEE Annals of the History of Computing, 24 (2): 98–99, doi:10.1109/mahc.2002.1010080. —David Eppstein (talk) 21:35, 15 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, that does the bit for Knuth. Allyn Jackson's biography of Groth does the other bit. Solomon7968 22:07, 15 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I hadn't realized this before but now I see that neither the ICM database nor our list contains any mention of Knuth. In fact the first Section/Speaker type for anthing to do with Computer starts only from the 1978 Helsinki ICM with Wolfgang Haken. So are "invited address to the International Congress of Mathematicians" (the phrase used in the book review) and "Invited speaker at the International Congress of Mathematicians" separate? Or am I missing something very obvious. Solomon7968 18:40, 8 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Our list and the ICM database seem to be missing the entire Volume 3 of the 1970 proceedings, MR411876, labeled as "Mathématiques appliquées. Histoire et enseignement" but also including some pure mathematics in a session on combinatorics and finite algebra. Assuming good faith on the part of the ICM database compilers, I'm going to assume this was just a mistake rather than a deliberate snub of insufficiently-pure topics. Anyway you can get the list of speakers from the MathSciNet review. —David Eppstein (talk) 19:10, 8 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I don't have access to MR (as of now) for some out-of-my-control reason. Would you be able to add it though? The German contributors have gone ahead adding the 2018 ICM speakers using a temporary version of a website as the source which unfortunately have gone down but may resurrect in the future. You can access the discussion (in English) at the talk page of the German article. While technically it is possible to copy paste the speakers list from German (with attribution) I suggest waiting until the official ICM database gets updated, which I hope they would do in 2018. Solomon7968 09:50, 28 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
You don't need MR for the Speaker-lists. The Nice Proceedings and all ICM Proceedings up to 2010 are online here. PS: I implemented the missing speakers vom vol. 3 already in the german version (beware: the german wikipedia uses a different transcription for russian names, which by the way caused me considerable labor in "translating" your list).--Claude J (talk) 09:45, 12 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
The speakers for ICM 2018 are now fixed, see icm.--Claude J (talk) 08:50, 8 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

More redirects

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I created six more redirects:

I think we ought to create all plausible redirects which are both grammatically correct and is already present in the individual speaker articles. My above noted query of the intruding "[year] bit introduced between the syntax" remains though.

I wonder if any other plausible redirects remains to be created. Solomon7968 08:55, 1 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Watch out

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Watchers of this article may also want to look out for Special:RecentChangesLinked/List of International Congresses of Mathematicians Plenary and Invited Speakers (some changes won't appear because of the presence of large number of redirects here) and put the individual articles on watchlist. I noticed the article Samson Shatashvili got deleted today. Solomon7968 12:00, 25 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

It was an autobiography, and the article creator and sole significant editor requested its deletion, so the deletion looks ok to me. —David Eppstein (talk) 16:48, 25 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

H. Fehr

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Hello, working on the links for the wikipedia in French, I noticed that for the 1904 congress, the Wikipedia in English links to Henri Fehr whereas the one in German links to de:Howard Fehr. Any clue? (The IMU cites H. Fehr.) Note that they agree on Howard for the 1908 congress. Regards, --Roll-Morton (talk) 12:12, 20 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Roll-Morton Suslindisambiguator changed the links save the 1908 one in this edit. The German article whose source is the earlier version of this enWP article remained unchanged.
You deserve a thank you for working on this article in French. Curiously when I myself requested there to get this translated I was told otherwise with a completely irrelevant reply to Marcel Proust! Since you say in our user page that you are interested in theoretical computer science you might also like to translate a similar list: List of Fellows of the Association for Computing Machinery. Solomon7968 01:33, 21 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@Roll-Morton Google "proceedings of the international congress of mathematicians hathitrust" and examine all of the titles by H. Fehr — the titles are in French. Also, the professor of mathematics education Howard Fehr (PhD Columbia U. 1941) belongs to a later era than Henri Fehr. Suslindisambiguator (talk)Suslindisambiguator
Right. Thank you! To Solomon, let say that lists are less popular in the fr.wp than in the en.wp, that's why there were questions about it, but now that it is there, one has to improve the links. --Roll-Morton (talk) 08:12, 22 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Presenting speakers

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I see no reason to carry on with the relics of past errors of the ICM database compilers. I recently contacted them to ameliorate the defect noted in #Motivation (thanks to Claude J to supply the Email address in the talk page of the German article) but so far they haven't replied to it yet. If being a presenting speaker is really pretty low honor compared to invited and plenary I think we need to strip this list completely off them before it gets updated with the 2018 slot. Solomon7968 15:08, 5 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

It is not clear to me if being a approved speaker the same as being a presenting speaker (the third category of speakers after invited and plenary). Solomon7968 16:17, 9 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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