Talk:List of Asian Australian politicians

Lebanese-Australians

Are Lebanese-Australians "Asian"? I don't think the Australian community would define them as such. If "Asian" = "ancestral origins in the continent of Asia", then I don't see why we would include Lebanese-Australians and exclude Jewish-Australians. The article seems to be drawing a long bow in that regard. Ivar the Boneful (talk) 12:57, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

You raise a good point. Excluding people of Middle Eastern descent would align with the ABS definition as in the Asian Australians article lead, but then the Arab Australians article is under Category:Asian Australian... Should either remove Lebanese and Turkish from this list, or perhaps an article for all ethnic minority politicians (e.g. List of ethnic minority politicians in the United Kingdom) would be more inclusive? @Ivar the Boneful: and others: any thoughts? Neegzistuoja (talk) 23:37, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

I left a comment at the peer-review, but agree with Ivar the Boneful. I'm not aware of any reliable sources which refer to Lebanese-Australians as Asian-Australians. I'm also concerned that there is a very large conflation here between identity and lineage. Regards, --Goldsztajn (talk) 07:37, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

I've removed the category from the Arab Australians article per WP:CATEGRS. Regards, --Goldsztajn (talk) 07:53, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

Asian Australians in politics

Asian Australians in politics
– This page were redirected without discussion. The reason given was that it was a duplicate article List of Asian Australian politicians
Asian Australians in politics is substantially different from List of Asian Australian politicians one is meant to be an actual article discussing the political involvement of the Asian Australian diaspora whereas the other is just a list of politicians. Please stop redirecting this page. It may contain similar information on it but It is not a dedicated List. For example 117th United States Congress has a list of the US House of representative on the page and there is a dedicated list List of current members of the United States House of Representatives as well they may contain some of the same information but one is a more broad overview while the other is just a list.
A similar article would be Asian Americans in politics and as for a list List of Asian American politicians or List of Asian Pacific American Democrats. This is not a duplicate article. Thank you SCN 1999 (talk) 05:58, 18 June 2022 (UTC)

North African and Middle Eastern

According to Australian Standard Classification of Cultural and Ethnic Groups (ASCCEG) the follwing is a list of ethnic groups belonging to the category of North African and Middle Eastern:

ARAB: Algerian, Egyptian, Iraqi, Jordanian, Kuwaiti, Lebanese, Libyan, Moroccan, Palestinian, Saudi Arabian, Syrian, Tunisian, Yemeni, Bahraini, Emirati, Omani, Qatari, Arab, nec
JEWISH: Jewish
Peoples of the Sudan: Bari, Darfur, Dinka, Nuer, South Sudanese, Sudanese, Peoples of the Sudan, nec
Other North African and Middle Eastern: Berber, Coptic, Iranian, Kurdish, Turkish, Assyrian, Chaldean, Mandaean, Nubian, Yezidi, Other North African and Middle Eastern, nec

So according to this, the above Ethnic Groups are NOT Asian Australian and instead should be classified as North African and Middle Eastern respectfully. SCN 1999 (talk) 03:40, 19 June 2022 (UTC)

References

List of Asian Australians

Should this list be moved to List of Asian Australians under the politics subsection? — Preceding unsigned comment added by SCN 1999 (talk • contribs) 05:57, 19 June 2022 (UTC)

Gladys Berejiklian | Asian Australian?

Hi,

I have been unable to find any sources stating that Gladys is Asian Australian, or even considers herself Asian? According to Australian Standard Classification of Cultural and Ethnic Groups (ASCCEG) since she is Armenian she should be Asian, but if I cannot find any other sources in which Gladys is referred to as Asian, I think that I may have to remove her from the list.

What do you guys think? AverageFraud (talk) 11:58, 5 January 2023 (UTC)

It's a good question, and worth noting that Joe Hockey is also of Armenian descent. I'm pretty sure he and Berejeklian don't see themselves, and aren't generally seen, as part of the Asian Australian community. But it's hard to exclude them given how the ASCCEG boundaries are drawn, otherwise we might reopen debate around making exceptions for Iranian Australians or Turkish Australians as well. But while I'm here, thanks for turning my lazy dot point lists into tables AverageFraud! Much appreciated! Neegzistuoja (talk) 05:31, 23 January 2023 (UTC)

Haha, It was a long process changing it to tables.

Yeah, if maybe someone would email and ask the individual politicians if they consider themselves Asian that would be helpful. Maybe they were asked in an interview somewhere. Maybe we could email some Asian Australian organizations and ask them as well? I'll dig into it a bit more. Because looking at this specific situation I don't think Armenians consider themselves Asians in Australia. Maybe contacting Armenian Australian organizations as well. Basically try and find a consensus between organizations? AverageFraud (talk) 10:09, 4 February 2023 (UTC)

I've looked a bit more into this and it looks like some Armenians did come from Asia in the 1850s during the gold rush era, but the majority of Armenians come from the countries considered to be in the Middle East in the 1960s and 1970s from Egypt, Cyprus, Lebanon, Syria.

The majority originated in the Middle East, mostly in the Arab countries; while smaller numbers came from countries in Asia, Africa, Europe and the Americas. Those who migrated from countries in Asia had predominantly originated in Iran,·or in one of the Iranian community's satellite colonies in India or Southeast Asia.

Below is the list of the most common Armenian Australian's Country of Birth and Citizenship held on arrival.

Middle East: Egypt, Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, Israel, Iraq,Turkey, Iran

Asia: India, Indonesia

To me the vast majority of these countries of origin are located in what the ASCCEG considers North African and Middle East that in my opinion it does not really make sense to classify them as Asian. But until I hear back from the Asian Australian and Armenian Australian organizations I have emailed, I am not going to change anything as of yet. AverageFraud (talk) 10:39, 4 February 2023 (UTC)

I think that as a compromise, we should assume East Asian, Southeast Asian, and South Asian politicians are Asian Australians and therefore added to the list. Whereas, unless they publically state otherwise, West Asian and Central Asian politicians are excluded.

I

think that most Australians assume Chinese, Japanese, Filipinos, Indians are Asian. So we probably don't need them to publicly state that they are "Asian Australians", but an Armenian Australian would have to have publicly self identified as "Asian Australian" AverageFraud (talk) 08:48, 12 September 2023 (UTC)