Talk:Lily Collins

Birth date source

http://www.people.com/people/archive/article/0,,20119986,00.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.19.22.132 (talk) 03:01, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

No model

Collins is called a "model", but the article itself doesn't even remotely show any sign of whatever kind of professional or unprofessional modelling. In fact, there is nothing that would qualify calling her a model. The section "Modeling and magazine appeareances" is an amusing exaggeration. We have a lot of articles on professional models, and Collins certainly isn't one of them. Arguments, anyone? Catgut (talk) 04:13, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

I forgot: calling her a "writer" is an even more amusing exaggeration. Catgut (talk) 04:19, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Done. Catgut (talk) 01:15, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

When a major magazine calls someone the international model of the year, isn't that a pretty solid indication that she has been considered a model? Having been a model and actively being a professional model now are two different things. Netmouse (talk) 16:54, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

Lily still does some modelling and she is studying journalism — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.237.195.40 (talk) 20:35, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

This line of argument seems futile, this person´s professional endeavors have been accurately recounted in the main body of the article. To qualify or disqualify the modelling affirmation will not change the life facts recounted in the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 177.226.237.101 (talk) 21:23, 22 August 2015 (UTC)

Clary's Age

The character Lily is playing in City of Bones, Clarissa Fray, is sixteen not fifteen. I have corrected the mistake. CitizenofPanem (talk) 22:08, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

Actually in city of bones, Clary doe start off as fifteen but is on the verge of sixteen. Her sixteen birthday is written in the book. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.237.195.40 (talk) 20:38, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

Age of the character is not important for this article, and reference didn't mention it so I just removed it completely. Geraldo Perez (talk) 21:16, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

ADHD

I removed the claim that she has ADHD, since it's not really encyclopedic. I googled it, it had some sources, it looks to be true, but they were poor and not strong enough. Lftrh (talk) 22:18, 25 August 2011 (UTC)

Official website page

lily-collins.org? Newone (talk) 08:58, 14 October 2011 (UTC)

"unofficial fansite" Fat&Happy (talk) 16:22, 14 October 2011 (UTC)

Nationality

Firstly, I'd like to point out that "British and American" sounds incredibly clumsy; secondly, that "Anglo-American" does not exclusively refer to ethnicity but to anything related to both England and America; and thirdly that I have seen no Wikipedia policy stating that "ethnicity has no place in ledes". That sounds like personal preference to me. 81.178.255.158 (talk) 23:26, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

See WP:OPENPARA for what should be in lede. Ethnicity is only in lede if part of reason a person is notable - not the case here. Nationality is in lede as a standard part of identification of the person. She is both a British national and an American national and is described that way accurately. Anglo-American is not really applicable as the meaning described in the article is "Anglo-American is often used in legal, economic and political writing to refer to those countries that have similar legal regimes that are generally based on the English common law". British-American or English-American are ethnicity or ancestory identifications and subsumes her British nationality to be less important than her American nationality. If this is really true than just state that in the edit summary and drop any mention of English, Anglo, or British from the lede. Currently stating she is British and American give both nationalities equal weight. --Geraldo Perez (talk) 01:00, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

My only problem is that "a British and American actress" still sounds very awkward - verging on weird - and I have not seen it used anywhere else on Wikipedia. I have seen "British-American", "English-American" and even "Anglo-American" used for people with dual citizenship though, and the terms sound much more concise and encyclopedic. I think you will have to allow this to be changed at some point in the near future. 81.178.255.158 (talk) 02:09, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

Those usages probably shouldn't be in the lede as, at least in American usage, they are primary ethnicity identifiers and seldom mean dual-national. If you think usage is awkward just remove any mention of British, English or Anglo - in this case she is American, living in the US and is notable for activities while residing in the US. Her English birth and nationality are not part of why notable and WP:OPENPARA does support removing that info from the lede. Her British citizenship has been in the article for quite some time, though, and categories support both British and American. I don't think removing that from the article would be supported as that does seem to be part of her identity. Geraldo Perez (talk) 02:38, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

The US does not recognize dual citizenship, so there is absolutely NO WAY she is a "British and American" actress. Granted, the UK may still issue her a passport on the QT, but technically, her US citizenship is revoked the second she uses it. So it's either/or.

Since she seems to have defaulted to the US, how about "British-born American actress"? That's how Mischa Barton is described. 66.105.218.3 (talk) 06:49, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

Lots of Americans are dual nationals (I'm one) and this causes no problems with the US even though the US doesn't officially recognize anything but American citizenship while entering or in the US. The US won't revoke citizenship for this. She is a dual national and the article accurately reflects that. She has worked and acted in both countries as described in the article so it is appropriate for both nationalities to be in the lede. Saying British-born American actress, while a true statement, hides the fact that she is also still a British actress. Geraldo Perez (talk) 07:59, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

ok, i will defer to your knowledge on the citizenship issue. that said, it still needs to be reworded into proper english. as it reads now, she sounds like TWO PEOPLE. 66.105.218.7 (talk) 06:12, 15 July 2012 (UTC)

It is proper English and it sounds like two nationalities, not two people. Two equal weight adjectives modifying a set of nouns and separated with an "and" meaning that both apply independently to each other. There is nothing wrong with making it explicit and unambiguous as to meaning. I strongly doubt that anyone will misinterpret what is being stated here. Try to phrase it differently without losing meaning or making it ambiguous. Geraldo Perez (talk) 06:50, 15 July 2012 (UTC)

You have 4-5 people here ALL saying it sounds funny.

Dig your heels in if you want, but you are clearly in the minority here. IT SOUNDS FUNNY. 66.105.218.28 (talk) 02:07, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

Chuckle - 3 of those people are from the same ISP and city. The one from the UK actually had a proposal. Geraldo Perez (talk) 02:17, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

I guess I miscounted. Point still remains, could a NATIVE SPEAKER pls reword this?! Otherwise I'm going to split it into 2 articles: "Lily Collins (British Actress)" and "Lily Collins (American Actress)". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.105.218.30 (talk) 02:03, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

Interesting presumption that I am not a native English speaker (I am). Must be the name. Geraldo Perez (talk) 02:58, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

Wasn't the name. Was the use of BAD ENGLISH in the article. 66.105.218.42 (talk) 08:49, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

"Granted, the UK may still issue her a passport on the QT, but technically, her US citizenship is revoked the second she uses it. So it's either/or."

No. It's not. Please refrain from using Wikipedia to spread ridiculous misinformation. "US State Department Services Dual Nationality". Fat&Happy (talk) 15:19, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

British?

forget the dual nationality thing, why is she "British" in the first place when her father is listed as "English"?

isn't there some standard here? 66.105.218.14 (talk) 10:45, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

Citizenship is generally listed in the lede but the convention for British citizens is to list the component nationality - English and Scottish seem to matter the most in Wikipedia articles so saying English and American would be correct in this case. Brits seem to care a lot about this being done this way, most of the rest of us just go along with it when some Brit, generally, who cares to, edits an article to conform. Geraldo Perez (talk) 13:25, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

Can't quite understand what you're saying, but as someone (you?) seems to have changed it, I guess this is resolved. 66.105.218.51 (talk) 21:28, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

Short summary - you were right - I changed it. Geraldo Perez (talk) 04:34, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

Hi all. Lilly Collins refers to herself as British and English all the time. She even says that everyone over in the US keeps telling her that she's "So British" or "So English". She was born and spent not only the first 6yrs of her life in Britain, but she also comes back to the family home in Britain for 2 months a year for Christmas etc.

Here is a an interview with Lilly where she is talking about her 2 tatoos.

"It’s a British crown, I’m British."

and

"And then my back, I have an English Rose, because I’m English."

When asked "Do you still feel English? You left a long time ago."

"Yes. I did, but I always traveled back in the summers and at Christmas time to my house in the country. And I just actually came back from Dublin where I was for two and a half months shooting a British film where I had a British accent and I actually felt the most at home and comfortable being British which was really strange. But I would consider myself more European than American. Even though I sound like this, I still feel completely British. My mom is American, but I feel more British."

It's like she tries to distance herself from America.

When asked about filming a film back home in Britain "It must have been quite fun on the set because most of them are British."

"Jamie’s British, Jemima is from France, Robbie’s Irish and I was just with him about Dublin because I’d never been and we were bonding over that. And then Kevin was from Toronto. So it’s this very international cast actually. And then Lena Headey, Johnny Rhys Meyers, Jared Harris it was like I was the only American and I’m not even really technically American. It was great to be on a set like that and then having just shot also in Dublin. I was again the only “American” but everyone else was from England or Ireland. I loved it, I love hearing the accent."

She clearly distanced herself from America twice in that one interview. She always seems to lean to be wanting to be seen as British and European.

http://staticmultimedia.com/movies/lily-collins-in-a-city-of-bones

In another interview with Lilly where she was talking about how she never leaves the house without sunscreen.

"I had it on every day because they wanted that pale, pale skin. But also I’m British, right? I have sensitive skin and, if you don’t want to have wrinkles or sunspots, it’s so important to protect yourself, it’s a huge must-have"

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/woman/fashion-beauty/lily-collins-i-need-sunscreen-29580866.html

In another interview and bio on Lilly.

"Even though she moved to the States when she was little, Lily still considers herself English. She told the Daily Mail: "I do still feel very British here in Los Angeles. I'm much more European than other people here. I do feel my roots and I miss England a lot. I try to spend two months every summer at our house in the country. I miss English food. I was brought up on sausage and beans, and beans on toast! I even miss the accent."

http://www.celebuzz.com/photos/10-things-you-dont-know-about-abduction-star-lily-collins/lily-collins-8/

So what with Lilly constantly referring to herself as British, i have changed the nationality to British.

Have a good day.--Kandyce 2013 (talk) 14:05, 18 September 2013 (UTC)

People can have more than one nationality, obviously she was born British and might refer to herself as British. However her mother is American and Collins herself grew up in the US, so assuming he holds a US passport (as well) it perfectly fine to call her American. Also note that the Wikipedia description is based on a person's citizenship(s) and not on their state of mind or personal preference.--Kmhkmh (talk) 14:50, 25 September 2014 (UTC)

Personal life trivia

I have removed the report of her relationship as trivial gossip. There is no need to include these ephemeral relationships of young celebrities in Wikipedia. They come and go like the wind and there is little to no significance attached to them. We have already objected to the inclusion on Jamie Campbell Bower, and the same rationale applies here. Elizium23 (talk) 15:55, 7 September 2013 (UTC)

No filmography section. Good job, Wiki editors.

An actress page with no list of works? I love having to leave Wikipedia and go look at IMDb for complete information. Oh wait, no I don't. 47.205.68.181 (talk) 17:23, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

That's the great thing about Wikipedia, if you see an issue you can be bold and fix it yourself! (bojo)(they/them)(talk) 17:26, 28 September 2023 (UTC)