Talk:Lilias Adie

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The result was: promoted by Yoninah (talk) 22:21, 24 October 2019 (UTC)

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Torryburn Bay, where Lilias Adie's remains were discovered.

• ... that the philanthropist Andrew Carnegie had a walking stick made out of a piece of the coffin from Lilias Adie's grave – the only known grave for an accused witch in Scotland? [1]
  • ALT1:... that forensic artists at the University of Dundee digitally reconstructed the face of accused witch Lilias Adie from century-old photos of her skull? [2]
  • ALT2: ...that forensic artists at the University of Dundee used 100-year-old photographs of a skull to digitally recreate the only known face of an accused witch in Scotland, Lilias Adie?

Created by Stinglehammer (talk). Self-nominated at 14:05, 10 September 2019 (UTC).

• @Stinglehammer: I'll review this nomination. epicgenius (talk) 00:43, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy compliance:

• Adequate sourcing:
• Neutral:
• Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing: - There are plenty of links which show up at over 50% possibility of at lease some parts being copyright violations. Some but not all of these are direct quotes, which means that the phrases that aren't quotes, need to be fixed before these are approved.

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.
Freely licensed: Used in article: Clear at 100px:

QPQ: None required.

Overall: epicgenius (talk) 00:43, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

Okay, will redraft problem parts and ping when it's ready for review again. Thanks.Stinglehammer (talk) 09:59, 12 September 2019 (UTC)

• @Stinglehammer: it has been almost one month since your last post. Are you planning to return to this nomination, or shall we close it as unsuccessful? Yoninah (talk) 22:54, 9 October 2019 (UTC)

@Yoninah and Narutolovehinata5: Hi, sorry for delay. Insanely busy period with a our map of witches work. Working on the article now. Should be ready later this afternoon.Stinglehammer (talk) 12:27, 12 October 2019 (UTC)

@Yoninah, Narutolovehinata5, and Epicgenius: Hi, have edited the article now. The copyvio still picks up the attributed direct quotes and place names/institutions mentioned in the article but all else should now be ok. I've asked the University of Dundee if they can supply an digital image of Lilias Adie to help illustrate the article. Think that could be an alternative hook... that she is the only accused witch in Scotland with a known grave and that we can put a face to. Let me know what you think anyway. Cheers for your patience. Stinglehammer (talk) 14:46, 12 October 2019 (UTC)

@Stinglehammer: I think that "she is the only accused witch in Scotland with a known grave and that we can put a face to" may be interesting, but needs some rewording to be understandable. The major concerns with paraphrasing seem to be with excessively long quotes. Let me know what you think. epicgenius (talk) 00:08, 13 October 2019 (UTC)

@Epicgenius: that forensic artists at the University of Dundee used 100 year old photographs of a skull to digitally recreate the only known face of an accused witch in Scotland, Lilias Adie? Any good? Stinglehammer (talk) 11:13, 15 October 2019 (UTC)

@Stinglehammer: I think that is fine. I put it as ALT2 up at the top of this nomination. epicgenius (talk) 12:49, 15 October 2019 (UTC)

• Let's pipe the link:
• ALT2a: ... that forensic artists at the University of Dundee used 100-year-old photographs of a skull to digitally recreate the only known face of an accused witch in Scotland? Yoninah (talk) 13:00, 15 October 2019 (UTC)

• Wait, what does "only known face" mean? I struck that. Yoninah (talk) 13:03, 15 October 2019 (UTC)

Yoninah, other faces in Scotland could have possibly been recreated, but none of them were known to be witches. epicgenius (talk) 13:10, 15 October 2019 (UTC)

Then do you mean the face of the only known accused witch in Scotland? Yoninah (talk) 13:11, 15 October 2019 (UTC)

I think the more important detail is that she was the only known accused witch in Scotland who even had a grave. epicgenius (talk) 13:19, 15 October 2019 (UTC)

@Epicgenius: OK. Let's rework the hook then. Yoninah (talk) 13:43, 15 October 2019 (UTC)

How about this? ALT3: ... that forensic artists used 100-year-old photographs of a skull to digitally recreate the face of Lilias Adie, the only known witch in Scotland with a grave? --epicgenius (talk) 13:56, 15 October 2019 (UTC)

@Epicgenius and Yoninah: Think the main point was that nearly all the accused witches in Scotland were strangled and burnt. Lilias is unusual in that we have her remains. Or had them until they were lost/graverobbed. The other accused witches were just ashes. So having the skull, or the photo of it, allowed her face to be digitally recreated so that we can put a face to the name and to someone accused of witchcraft for the first time.Stinglehammer (talk) 16:39, 15 October 2019 (UTC)

• Thank you, epicgenius, but ALT3 is beginning to veer off into narrative and lose all hookiness. I don't see what's wrong with ALT2a. It could grab a lot of pageviews with a Halloween appearance. Yoninah (talk) 16:56, 15 October 2019 (UTC)

• Yoninah, let's just go with ALT2a instead. It is interesting but also meets all the criteria. approved ALT2a epicgenius (talk) 01:37, 16 October 2019 (UTC)