Talk:Level Mountain

Change from mountain to volcano article

Sometime around I'm going to change this from a mountain article to a volcanology article because I'm sure the Level Mountain Range is a lot more important as a volcanological subject rather than as a mountain topic, also because of the WikiProject ratings. The Level Mountain Range is the most voluminous and most persistent volcano in Canada and the series of U-shaped valleys and ridges that constitute the Level Mountain Range proposes an unique prospect to view cross sections through a shield volcano. Black Tusk (talk) 05:51, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

Requested move 9 January 2015

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The result of the move request was: moved. Number 57 22:45, 26 January 2015 (UTC)

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Level Mountain Range → Level Mountain – WP:COMMONNAME. From years of research (e.g. reading papers, books, etc) on volcanoes in British Columbia, it is safe for me to say that this feature is more commonly referred to as "Level Mountain". The actual "Level Mountain Range" is a mountain range on the summit of Level Mountain and does not include the shield volcano. This article is about the shield volcano, which makes up the bulk of Level Mountain. If anything, the Level Mountain Range is a subtopic of Level Mountain. Separate pages would be unnecessary since the Level Mountain Range is a significant topic (the upper half) of Level Mountain and the current article has lots of room for expansion. Actually I am in the process of gathering information to rewrite, expand and reorganize this article. --Relisted. George Ho (talk) 05:50, 17 January 2015 (UTC) Volcanoguy 08:40, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

• Support - the mountain does seem to be more notable generally than the range, so seems that would be a good home for the single article. Note that Level Mountain has quite an edit history at the moment. It has in the past been a stub for the mountain article itself.  — Amakuru (talk) 21:12, 26 January 2015 (UTC)

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GA Review

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Reviewer: Jaguar (talk · contribs) 15:27, 27 December 2015 (UTC)

Will be happy to review this. I'll definitely finish this in the morning at the latest. JAGUAR  15:27, 27 December 2015 (UTC)

Initial comments

• "half of Level Mountain consists of a shield-like edifice" - link shield (geology)?

No, it's referring to shield. Linked it to that article. Volcanoguy 01:45, 29 December 2015 (UTC)

• "These valleys serve as a radical drainage for several small streams" - what is radical referring to here? Am I thinking of it the wrong way, or is it used as a geology term?

It was a typo; supposed to be radial. Volcanoguy 01:45, 29 December 2015 (UTC)

• "What is known for certain, however, is that the current volcanism rates are much less" - bit informal

How so? Volcanoguy 01:45, 29 December 2015 (UTC)

Maybe I was thinking about it too much, I thought "What is known for certain" felt like an extract from a journal, but it's fine JAGUAR  16:32, 29 December 2015 (UTC)

• "In H. S. Bostock's 1948 report Physiography of the Canadian Cordillera, With Special Reference to the Area North of the Fifty-Fifth Parallel he states that Level Mountain" - comma needed in between "parallel" and "he"

Done. Volcanoguy 01:45, 29 December 2015 (UTC)

• "The climate of Level Mountain is influenced by the presence of the Coast Mountains" - link Coast Mountains?

Is it necessary to link it twice? It's already linked in the introduction. Volcanoguy 01:45, 29 December 2015 (UTC)

True, I sometimes use two links - one in the lead and one in the body, but this doesn't matter. JAGUAR  16:32, 29 December 2015 (UTC)

• "Level Mountain experiences relatively light snowfall unlike the westerly Coast Mountains" - the fact that the Coast Mountains are west is already established

Removed. Volcanoguy 01:45, 29 December 2015 (UTC)

• "The Yukon Telegraph Trail of 1890s fame" - is this a road?

Yes. Volcanoguy 01:45, 29 December 2015 (UTC)

• "The Interagency Volcanic Event Notification Plan (IVENP)" - no need for the abbreviation as this isn't mentioned later in the article

Removed. Volcanoguy 01:45, 29 December 2015 (UTC)

On hold

I spent a long time reading through and checking this article. Simply put, it is close to meeting the FA criteria and should pass this GAN easily once all of the minor prose issues are addressed. This is an excellent article as it is both comprehensive and well written. JAGUAR  15:15, 28 December 2015 (UTC)

@Jaguar: Thanks for reviewing it. Any ideas for FA? Volcanoguy 01:50, 29 December 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for addressing them! This meets the GA criteria now, so I'll be promoting. From a reader's point of view, it looks like this is close to meeting the FA criteria because it is comprehensive and well written (the main factors for an FA). Admittedly I'm no expert on volcanoes, so perhaps some people who are knowledgeable in the matter would spotcheck some technical things. I would advise to go over the sources before nominating, as I've had well-written articles fail at FAC because some prose didn't comply with the sources. I'll be happy to look at this again if you decide to nominate in the future. JAGUAR  16:32, 29 December 2015 (UTC)

Canadian English editnotice request

Please create an edit notice for the article, placing in it the template {{Canadian English|form=editnotice}}. Thank you. Volcanoguy 23:31, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

Jo-Jo Eumerus, since you are an administrator, you might be able to help with this. Volcanoguy 06:33, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

To editor Volcanoguy:  done, and thank you for your input! P.I. Ellsworth  ed. ^put'r there 17:47, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

Streams

There are several streams flowing from Level Mountain that do not have articles yet. Those that do have articles can probably be expanded at least a bit more. Pfly, since BC streams seem to be an interest of yours, are you willing to help with this? Volcanoguy 00:26, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

That is my thing, :-) ... I'll look into it! Pfly (talk) 01:18, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

So far I have found 18 named streams: Dudidontu River, Kakuchuya Creek, Beatty Creek, Lost Creek, Copper Creek, Kaha Creek, Little Tahltan River, Bear Creek, Little Tuya River, Mansfield Creek, Megatushon Creek, Matsatu Creek, Koshin River, Egnell Creek, Middle Creek, Riley Creek, Hartz Creek and Classy Creek. Volcanoguy 07:04, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

I spent some time this evening getting a sense of the stream networks up there and noted most of these you've listed. Looks like a mix of Stikine and Taku River tributaries. To start getting the sense of the geography I expanded Inklin River and Sheslay River, working upriver to smaller streams, getting organized, etc. Might take a little while to get to all these, between work and life and all. Then again for the smaller creeks there's probably not a lot to say, so maybe it will go pretty quickly. Once I get organized I can start with the streams mentioned on this page and work downriver. I'm not totally sure what to call this region and the area around it. Nahlin Plateau for the immediate area seems clear. Stikine Plateau seems a larger-area general term. Would you say the various "sub-plateaus" defined on that page are accurate? On the Sheslay River page I said its source and mouth are in the Coast Mountains and Boundary Ranges, but I'm not totally sure. Is there a strict eastern cutoff for the Coast Mountains and Boundary Ranges? The maps and info I have at hand seem pretty fuzzy about it. You seem to distinguish the two in the lead of this page. I'm also a bit uncertain about what to call the larger region up here. I see this page uses Cassiar Land District. Earlier I was looking into Cassiar Country and Stikine Country. Seems like Level Mountain and the Nahlin Plateau are kinda in between the two? My maps and sources are kinda fuzzy about that too. I suppose Northern or Northwestern Interior would be good enough in a pinch. I haven't looked into this region very closely before, though I've long meant to. Very dramatic landscapes up there. Some intensely braided rivers. Pfly (talk) 09:37, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

The various "sub-plateaus" defined on the Stikine Plateau page seem to be accurate but I will look to see if I can find sources to support the claims on that page. The source for the Sheslay River could be in the Coast Mountains/Boundary Ranges but its mouth might not be; it looks to be somewhere on the Stikine Plateau. I'm not sure if there's a strict eastern cutoff for the Coast Mountains and Boundary Ranges. The Stikine Plateau and the Coast Mountains/Boundary Ranges are two separate features but perhaps the boundaries are not well defined. I used Cassiar Land District on this page because BC Geographical Names claims the Level Mountain Range is a part of that. Whether Cassiar Land District and Cassiar Country are the same thing or not I don't know; I haven't been able to find any maps. It's too bad User:Skookum1 is no longer around to help as he sure knew his geography. Volcanoguy 23:42, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

The Canadian Geographical Names Database shows the courses of streams but it doesn't seem to be too keen on plateau and mountain range boundaries. Volcanoguy 00:11, 14 August 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for all that. For what it's worth, the "sub-plateau" definitions seem sourced to the "Landforms of British Columbia" document mentioned in the references. That link is old and uses the wayback machine, but looks like it is currently here: http://cmscontent.nrs.gov.bc.ca/geoscience/PublicationCatalogue/Bulletin/BCGS_B048.pdf

The map mentioned is, I think: Mathews, W.H., 1986. Physiographic Map of the Canadian Cordillera. Geological Survey of Canada, "A" Series Map. Looks like one can download it here: https://doi.org/10.4095/122821 or just https://ftp.maps.canada.ca/pub/nrcan_rncan/publications/STPublications_PublicationsST/122/122821/gscmap-a_1701a_e_1986_mn01.pdf ...I haven't looked too closely at the document or map yet, though I plan to. I've been slowly getting a better sense of the region and how to describe its subregions. Pfly (talk) 07:53, 15 August 2021 (UTC)

Oh, one more thing: I noticed your change on Dudidontu River wrt Level Mountain vs. Level Mountain Range. I had been assuming, without thinking about it, that Level Mountain was within the Level Mountain Range, since that's usually how mountains and ranges work, but it's actually the opposite isn't it? Level Mountain is a large shield volcano while Level Mountain Range is a smaller area of peaks within the larger shield, right? Funny, one would think "X Mountain" would be in "X Mountain Range" rather than the reverse. Pfly (talk) 09:01, 15 August 2021 (UTC)

That's correct. The Level Mountain Range is the eroded remains of a stratovolcano and associated lava domes on top of the shield volcano. Heart Peaks northwest of Level Mountain is similar; that name officially refers to two peaks on top of a shield volcano that forms an elevated plateau. But because there's no local name for that shield volcano, volcanological sources refer to it as the Heart Peaks Plateau or simply Heart Peaks. Volcanoguy 13:39, 15 August 2021 (UTC)

Wow, looking at satellite imagery and finally seeing the shield for what it is, that's amazing--those huge U-shaped valleys with wetlands and forest in them compared to the rather barren top of the shield, with the craggy center. I had no idea that was there. And it's huge. Pfly (talk) 10:36, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

Pfly I was looking through Category:Rivers of British Columbia and it seems "(XXX River tributary)" is the preferred dab for river article titles. Should Beatty Creek (Tahltan River) and Bear Creek (Tahltan River) be moved to reflect this? Volcanoguy 18:05, 22 August 2021 (UTC)

Volcanoguy, years ago there was talk about this at Wikipedia:WikiProject Rivers and the consensus was that several methods were fine, one of which was to use the name of the stream/waterbody the river flows into. I liked that method for a number of reasons and have used it since then. But, when I went to find the discussion in the archives of Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Rivers just now, I discovered there was an RfC about this in 2017 in which it was decided to add "tributary", like you describe. After thinking about it for a bit I agree it makes sense. I used to think it was unnecessarily wordy, but reading the RfC I now see the value--not everyone is a river dork like me, lol. So yea, I suppose the articles I've made should be moved to "(XXX River tributary)". I'll start now. Pfly (talk) 07:11, 28 August 2021 (UTC)

@Pfly: I just wanted to let you know that Kakuchuya Creek, Little Tahltan River and Matsatu Creek are still available for expansion. No big rush I just noticed it while I was adding {{Rivers of Level Mountain}} to Level Mountain streams. Volcanoguy 20:37, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

Location

"Level Mountain is a large volcanic complex ... located 50 km NNW of Telegraph Creek and 60 km W of Dease Lake." Unless Telegraph Creek and Dease Lake have moved, the actual distances are 65 km and 81 km respectively. Meszah Peak is the only named prominence, and is close to the centre of the complex; its page gives its location as "66 km north of Telegraph Creek" - so the 50 km figure seems wrong. Would someone care to confirm? Prisoner of Zenda (talk) 06:17, 3 September 2021 (UTC)

There's nothing wrong it's just different measurements from different points of the mountain. They appear to differ greatly because of how big the mountain is; its summit and base are kilometres apart. Volcanoguy 07:31, 3 September 2021 (UTC)