Talk:Legislature XVIII of Italy

Propose move of all Italian legislatures' articles

I would like to propose moving all articles like this one to titles in the format 18th legislature of Italy and so on. This would comply with WP:ENGLISH. Of course in the lead sentence of the article one would then also cite the Italian name XVIII legislatura, however as far as I know the use of Roman numerals in English is only for kings and popes etcetera (see also MOS:ORDINAL). I ping some possibly interested editors: Facquis, Nick.mon, Checco. --Ritchie92 (talk) 09:48, 9 January 2020 (UTC)

I agree--Facquis (talk) 09:57, 9 January 2020 (UTC)

Good idea! --Checco (talk) 09:10, 11 January 2020 (UTC)

@Impru20: I don't know if you noticed this. I haven't acted yet. Should we wait for the outcome of the (future) RfC on Wikipedia talk:Article titles? This somehow concerns a "governmental" topic and numbering within these articles' titles. --Ritchie92 (talk) 11:12, 16 February 2020 (UTC)

Wikipedia's policy on Roman numerals is very wide open. WP:ORDINAL only states that regnal names should use Roman numberals, but does not limit their use to them. From there, I would see either version as ok (in Spain, these have been numbered in the 14th Cortes Generales-style). I would only ask whether there may be any confusion on the title with any other "18th legislature" in Italy, which I do not know (in Spain, legislatures' count has started anew from "1st" several times; Restoration, Republic, Francoism, etc; so the specific name of the legislature-type, i.e. "Cortes Generales", seems more appropiate for disambiguation. Not sure if the same has been the case in Italy). On the issue of the Wikipedia talk:Article titles, surely something must be done about it as it is pretty much stalled. Impru20^talk 11:33, 16 February 2020 (UTC)

The same name "legislature" applies to the Kingdom of Sardinia (1st to 8th) and the Kingdom of Italy (9th to 30th, until 1943), but those articles do not exist yet on WP. In case they would be created I think it would be better to title them "1st legislature of the Kingdom of Sardinia" or "13th legislature of the Kingdom of Italy", and then add a hatnote notice at the top of "13th legislature of Italy". I don't think we need to move the most recent legislatures' articles to "18th legislature of the Italian Republic" etc, though. --Ritchie92 (talk) 11:55, 16 February 2020 (UTC)

Setting of the tables

@Yakme: It seems to me that you are very used to make edit wars (much more than me), since you undo other users' edits very easily. If I tell you that some groups are shown in 8 lines (Forza Italia in five, of which one line only for the hyphen!) why should you oppose writing some groups in just one line??--Scia Della Cometa (talk) 09:53, 13 February 2022 (UTC)

Undoing is not edit warring per se. I undo edits that are disruptive. Your edit fixes your problems of the table display, but creates more problems to others, for example to my display (and I checked with multiple browsers and screen resolutions). I had M5S and Lega unnecessarily spanning multiple lines. So please check your own browser and resolution options of your desktop – since you are used to have weird visualization issues, as I recall. Do not assume that what you see is what everybody sees, and that the solution is that you are satisfied. Also using Template:Nowrap should be very limited, and not the norm, read Template:Nowrap for more info. Yakme (talk) 09:58, 13 February 2022 (UTC)

@Yakme: Even with the zoom set to 100%, the Manifesta-PaP-PRC sub-group is written in 5 lines: there are too many, especially for a sub-group of 4 deputies.--Scia Della Cometa (talk) 10:14, 13 February 2022 (UTC)

It is 2 lines in my case, and by zooming to 150% (which is really a lot, and we should not over-optimize for this kind of zoom) I get to 4 lines, but it is still very readable. So I do not think this is an issue that should be solved on this page, but rather it is probably your display parameters/options. Yakme (talk) 07:05, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

@Yakme: I don't know how your screen is set up, but I don't think that on mine alone the Manifesta subgroup appears written in five lines, which are really too many. So I don't understand why you should oppose a practical solution like using Template:Nowrap for some groups.--Scia Della Cometa (talk) 16:42, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

As I already explained multiple times: (1) your "practical solution" solves your problem but creates a problem in my visualization, for example by making many lines (that were single lines, like M5S and Lega) span multiple rows unnecessarily; (2) Wikipedia tables are self-organized in the layout, forcing behavior is in principle to avoid. Read in Template:Nowrap that it should not be used so often, it should only be a last resource. I will try to find a solution that goes well and does not force the table to span multiple lines if not necessary. Yakme (talk) 07:06, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

@Yakme: It wasn't the Template:Nowrap that created "problems" to your visualization, but the fact that I had organized rows of 15 notes each. If the problems are the M5S or League group that appear in two lines, it is enough to remove the <br> from the notes, it is not a consequence of the Template:Nowrap.--Scia Della Cometa (talk) 16:54, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

@Yakme: Yes, now it is decidedly better.--Scia Della Cometa (talk) 21:46, 17 February 2022 (UTC)