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BOOSTER

The Lebanese Army is one of the most trained in the world but lacks the modern weapons and fighting systems. Lebanese soldiers are sent to be trained in Europe and USA, they score very high points in training in most cases as their Americans and Eoropeans counterparts, but due to political restrictions both internal and external, the Lebanese Army is unable to arm itself niether in quantity nor in quality.

Keep the part about the air force

Keep the part about the air force. It's about the armed forces so all branches should be included. Mrld 17:05, 5 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

ATTACKER-class patrol boats

Are the ATTACKER-class patrol boats the same as the Australian Attack class patrol boats. The article states the boats are British but the link goes to an Australian made boat (I don't think the Aussies sold any to the Lebanese). Ozdaren 15:29, 8 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

its a british made boat and was formely used by the brits... the link is wrong...--Jadraad (talk) 08:32, 17 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

"Heavily armed security force"?

I was watching the news, and someone brought up an interesting theory, that this entire army is just a force to help police Lebanon, and serve virtually no other purposes. It's quite clear that this force couldn’t hope to stop Israel or Syria if they were to return. They've lost a considerable amount of men to an enemy in most terms, weaker foe, and just 3 days into fighting in Tripoli, they're requesting more ammunition. Just how powerful or reliable IS this military? Or is all this just simply the fact that they lack more donations? Hoboron 23:32, 25 May 2007 (UTC) Hoboron[reply]

Special Forces quality

What is about that snake eating bullshit? To finalise the process of becoming a Commando each new recruit must undertake the highly regarded Snake meal. This meal occurs at the conclusion of the training and involves the Commando biting off the head of a live poisionous snake with his teeth and eating it Unless there is a _reliable_ source it should be deleted immediately - ok I just did so. Sounds like an urban legend. What if there is no poisonous snake at hand - cant you graduate to a special forces member. Furthermore for such a small force to have 8 SF formations is quite a lot. So what is their standard of training? Can they be compared to established SF forces (SAS, SEAL, KSK)? What is the difference between commando and special forces regiment? This needs a lot of work. Right now it seems like the fantasies of a 12-year old lebanes army fan.

-Hasasn Kheireddine's Answer

Concerning the Commando Regiment the "Maghawir", it's true that they eat a snake alive, I don't know whether it's poisonous or not though. And keep in mind that there's not a whole lot of information regarding Lebanon on print. It's a small country, with a small population, Every family in Lebanon knows all the other family names, and their influence in the country; so generally these things are true. In any case, here's a link to the Maghawir during a live show. http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=7ad_1249581219 Hasan Kheireddine 02:13, 2 June 2014 (UTC) Hasan Kheireddine[reply]

Lebanon is not that small. Everyone does not know all other families! The snake story is highly improbable, and saying that the country is small does not make it more likely.Royalcourtier (talk) 11:18, 7 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Concerned that this is too much opinion, not enough fact

Seriously, this article reads like a recruitment brochure for the Lebanese Armed Forces. "Lebanese snipers are considered among the deadliest in the world" and other statements are purely subjective. Also references to a country called "Israhell" don't seem to be very NPOV. cook503 (talk) 12:34 AM, 15 January 2007 (EST)

Reccomending new external link

I reccomend this link http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=126638 as a new external link, its an unbiased topic, users are familiar with the pictures they post of the LAF, and we can keep a better idea of what the LAF actually uses with the various updates and photos. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hoboron (talk • contribs) 18:52, 18 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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GA?

Did this article go through a GA review? If it didn't then the GA rating must be reverted back to B-class. I can't find its review, so I'm not sure it went through one. --Al Ameer son (talk) 05:26, 8 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Should be nominated now. Let's keep the GA unless it fails the GA assessment later, but most likely it won't. --Zaher1988 · ^Talk|_{Contributions} 06:42, 8 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Happy to know you will nominate it, but I'm afraid I will have to remove the GA rating until it passes. ~~It's just how things work here. See WP:GAN#War and military to list the article for a reviewer, then add the GA nomination template to the top of this page. Cheers and good luck!~~ --Al Ameer son (talk) 16:13, 8 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Referencing

Since this article will be reviewed soon, it will be necessary to source the first and third paragraphs of the General overview section, the first, third and sixth of the History section (I have a source for the last passage of that section), and many entire subsections of the main Combat history section. Referencing is a vital requirement of Good article. Good luck! --Al Ameer son (talk) 03:34, 19 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, thank you for drawing my attention. I have referenced the mentioned above, except the civil war section of the combat history. --Zaher1988 · ^Talk|_{Contributions} 09:59, 19 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Fantastic job! The Civil War section will indeed need to be referenced (GA reviews are much stricter than before), but the vast majority of the article is now sourced. Oh, and this line "This was the first major combat operation for the Lebanese Armed Forces under the Independent Lebanese Government." also needs a reference. Other than that, the GA review should go smoothly. You have done a great job with this article. Cheers! --Al Ameer son (talk) 16:00, 19 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Lebanese Armed Forces/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

I am beginning a GA review of this article. Please feel free to leave any comments regarding the review below. Thanks! Vicenarian ^{(T · C)} 02:42, 27 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The grammar needs a little working on. StNicksRocks (talk) 05:23, 27 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

FAIL

I stopped my line-by-line review in the middle of the "History" section due to significant concerns. Despite a lot of good work done, this article will need much additional work to reach GA status, and more so than I believe could be done during a hold period. Here are my reasons for failing this article:

There is need for significant copy editing, some of which I did up to the point I stopped my line-by-line. However, much more needs to be done, and should be done by those with a better grasp of the topic than myself.
Much of the information on the history of the army is drawn from its own website - Wikipedia generally demands reliable, third-party sources. Much of the information drawn from the website appears to be word-for-word, and though while cited, this still could be considered a copyright violation or at least plagiarism. Using a non-independent source in this manner could also lead to NPOV problems, and may open the article up to missing important - but controversial - facts.
There is confusion between the use of the word "army" and the use of "armed forces." They are used interchangeably at times, but it is unclear whether the reference is to the armed forces as a whole (in which case, "LAF" or "armed forces" should be used) or just the ground forces branch (in which case "army" is appropriate).
A few sentences need citation, which I've noted. However, the entire "Combat history" section needs additional citation, which it is currently lacking in key parts.
The article may be too detailed. The section on training seems superfluous, as this is a typical military training regimen, and not notable to this particular military. Entire sections on ranks and camouflage patterns, too, may be too much detail, though I know this is common on articles about military organizations. Generally, large sections with many images and little text are a concern. Either they need more text for explanation, or need to be eliminated.

I also left a few commented out notes in the article with more specific concerns.

Please leave any questions or comments regarding this review here so they may be visible to all. Thank you. Vicenarian ^{(T · C)} 19:24, 2 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Emir Majid Arslan II

What does "and that by the orders of Lebanese defense minister then, Emir Majid Arslan II" mean?

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