Talk:Larval food plants of Lepidoptera

List naming

Shouldn't the lists listed in this, um, list follow the naming scheme: "List of Lepidoptera that feed on..." instead of "which"? I believe the use of "which" requires a comma before it. Use of "that" sounds better to me, but I'm no grammar expert. Just a thought. Cheers, --Rkitko ^(talk) 04:44, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

Also, the titles should use proper capitalization. For example, "grasses" is not a proper noun, nor is "elms". --Rkitko ^(talk) 18:51, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

Yes, they are all grammatically incorrect. Ugh. I fixed one (Ash), before stumbling onto this page. This will be a lot of work, as the links need to be changed in the various articles also (leaving as a redirect grammatically incorrect in each usage. --Storkk (talk) 17:28, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Fixing the grammar

I'm going to start this, but I anticipate it will be a slow process, so any help would be appreciated. The following is a list of all of them. If done, they will be struck out (like this). If anyone decides to help, please don't just move the pages, but also correct links using the "What links here" special page, so that articles are also grammatically correct. Thanks! --Storkk (talk) 17:33, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Note: capitalization of non-proper nouns should also be fixed, and for consistency's sake, I think all plant names should be plural (unless as a latin name, they already are) --Storkk (talk) 16:37, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

This still leaves some difficulty, e.g. "heather". --Storkk (talk) 17:18, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

I'm no horticulturalist, but Abelia is a genus name so it should remain capitalized. I guess to be entirely accurate, it should be something like "List of Lepidoptera that feed on Abelia species" or something like that. Abelia may also be the common name associated with those plants in horticulture, as Latin has its way of sometimes diffusing into gardening culture. I must say, you're doing a great job on this already. As for the problem with "heather", it's often used as a plural itself. If you'd like, we could present this problem to WP:PLANTS and see what others think. User:Hardyplants, I believe, is a horticulturalist and may be better suited to answering some of the more difficult determinations on capitalization and pluralization. Cheers, Rkitko ^(talk) 17:37, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

Well, I've done all that I can be reasonably sure about except for Poplar, which, because of previous moves cannot be de-capitalized by a non-admin such as myself. I pluralized "rhododendron" as "rhododendrons" as that's how it's done in the rhododendron article, though i thought it was "rhododendra". I'll post this to WP:PLANTS now, and let people who know more than I do do the rest. I think best practice is that if a genus has a single major common name, it should probably be used instead of the latin for consistency's sake (i.e. what was done substituting "plantains" for "Plantago"). Good luck to whoever finishes this. --Storkk (talk) 19:00, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

Great work! I completed the move over the multiple edit redirect on the poplars one. If I find the time I'll come back to this and work on the others. Hopefully we'll get some feedback at WikiProject Plants and maybe some help. Cheers, Rkitko ^(talk) 00:50, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

I make no claims to be an expert-but I can contribute: If you are referring to a genus as a classification name it is italizied and the first letter capitalized, it can not be made plural because it is one unit. Lepidoptera which feed on Achillea. there is only one genus called Achillea.

If a common name and the genus name are the same the common name can be made plural but refers to a collective group of plants and not the genus. Some common names can like aster, refer to groups of plants that are not in the genus Aster. So "I like asters", is a larger group than "I like Aster plants". When referring to just a few, I like five Aster species, limits the group to those species in the genus.

Heather would refer to to all plants commonly called heathers including those in the genus Callunas and Ericas. The problem now is do you capatizes the first letter of a common name- and the answer is: be consistent, this is an issue that is not uniformly settled in the "real word" but I think wikipedia has some rules that cover this, arrived at after a number of long and sometimes contentious discourses. Hardyplants (talk) 19:33, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

After your comment, I was emboldened to do the great majority of those remaining. All those that remain, I'm still unsure about. Those are: Cirsium (has that become a common noun in English?), Heather (this has, but how to word it correctly?), Prunus (I'm at a loss), and Tilia ("Lime" would seem very confusing to those unfamiliar with the tree). Only 4 left! Cheers, --Storkk (talk) 23:34, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Finally did the last two (Tilia and Cirsium), hopefully correctly. At least it's now better than it was before. --Storkk (talk) 09:52, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

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• List of Lepidoptera which feed on Abelia
• List of Lepidoptera which feed on Achillea
• List of Lepidoptera which feed on Alders
• List of Lepidoptera which feed on Artemisia
• List of Lepidoptera which feed on Ashes
• List of Lepidoptera which feed on Aster
• List of Lepidoptera which feed on Atriplex
• List of Lepidoptera which feed on Beeches
• List of Lepidoptera which feed on Beet
• List of Lepidoptera which feed on Birches
• List of Lepidoptera which feed on Birds-foot trefoils
• List of Lepidoptera which feed on Brassicas
• List of Lepidoptera which feed on Brooms
• List of Lepidoptera which feed on Buckthorns
• List of Lepidoptera which feed on Camellia
• List of Lepidoptera which feed on Castanea
• List of Lepidoptera which feed on Centaurea
• List of Lepidoptera which feed on Chenopodium
• List of Lepidoptera which feed on Chrysanthemum
• List of Lepidoptera which feed on Cirsium
• List of Lepidoptera which feed on Clovers
• List of Lepidoptera which feed on Cotton plants
• List of Lepidoptera which feed on Dandelions
• List of Lepidoptera which feed on Elms
• List of Lepidoptera which feed on Eucalyptus
• List of Lepidoptera which feed on Galium
• List of Lepidoptera which feed on Goldenrods
• List of Lepidoptera which feed on Grapevines
• List of Lepidoptera which feed on Grasses
• List of Lepidoptera which feed on Hawthorns
• List of Lepidoptera which feed on Hazels
• List of Lepidoptera which feed on Heather
• List of Lepidoptera which feed on Helianthus
• List of Lepidoptera which feed on Honeysuckles
• List of Lepidoptera which feed on Ipomoea
• List of Lepidoptera which feed on Juncus
• List of Lepidoptera which feed on Larches
• List of Lepidoptera which feed on Lettuces
• List of Lepidoptera which feed on Malus
• List of Lepidoptera which feed on Maples
• List of Lepidoptera which feed on Oaks
• List of Lepidoptera which feed on Pear trees
• List of Lepidoptera which feed on Pines
• List of Lepidoptera which feed on Plantago
• List of Lepidoptera which feed on Polygonum
• List of Lepidoptera which feed on Poplars
• List of Lepidoptera which feed on Potentilla
• List of Lepidoptera which feed on Prunus
• List of Lepidoptera which feed on Ragweeds
• List of Lepidoptera which feed on Rhododendron
• List of Lepidoptera which feed on Ribes
• List of Lepidoptera which feed on Roses
• List of Lepidoptera which feed on Rubus
• List of Lepidoptera which feed on Rumex
• List of Lepidoptera which feed on Senecio
• List of Lepidoptera which feed on Silene
• List of Lepidoptera which feed on Solanum
• List of Lepidoptera which feed on Sorbus
• List of Lepidoptera which feed on Spruces
• List of Lepidoptera which feed on Strawberry plants
• List of Lepidoptera which feed on Tilia
• List of Lepidoptera which feed on Vaccinium
• List of Lepidoptera which feed on Viburnum
• List of Lepidoptera which feed on Willows