Talk:Larry Sanders (politician)

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Previous page deleted

A page on this British politician was deleted in 2010. Here: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Larry Sanders (politician). A lot has changed, in particular, the recent spate of interviews with Larry, triggered by his brother's Presidential bid. It would probably be useful to salvage the material, sources form the old article and merge them here.E.M.Gregory (talk) 02:27, 21 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed, this is a decent fledgling article. It shouldn't be deleted due to the ever growing importance of his brother. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.193.27.41 (talk) 19:04, 3 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I restored the old history. Also look in Wikimedia Commons.--Kaihsu (talk) 06:13, 10 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I can't find any signs of the page that existed in 2015. Any clues (or ideally links?)DrArsenal (talk) 17:34, 11 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I would appreciate if someone can dig information out from the old page that is still missing in the current version. --Kaihsu (talk) 09:10, 13 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I have tried to do this myself. --Kaihsu (talk) 09:23, 13 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Commons

https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Larry_Sanders Kaihsu (talk) 06:18, 10 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

http://www.pieandcoffee.org/2006/08/21/larry-sanders-on-saint-kermit/ http://saintkermit.com/interviews/archives/14 Kaihsu (talk) 06:21, 10 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Dates

Currently the article has dates both in US and British sequence. We need to standardize. I would suggest British usage is appropriate for a British politician and academic, even if of US origin. DrArsenal (talk) 23:08, 11 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. --Kaihsu (talk) 09:08, 13 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Nationality

Also Maverick, the MOS only mentions place of birth and former nationalities, it does not exclude mentioning current nationalities. That's even aside from the issue of whether his American nationality is relevant to his current notability, which it's hard to argue is not given that at least some of it is down to his famous American politician brother. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.208.205.111 (talk) 21:52, 16 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

His notability is based upon the fact that he is politician in England. The MOS requires that place of birth be left out of the FIRST SENTENCE of the article unless the person's notability is based upon the person place of birth. Larry Sanders's notability is based clearly upon his work as a politician in England. His notability has NOTHING to do with his birth in America. The MOS is very, very, very clear on this issue. Stop adding it to the first sentence. It is mentioned the article in the infobox and in the heart of the article about early life. But it is not to be included in the first sentence. A person is never notable because of a family member is notable. Notability does not work that way. For example, Al Gore III, former U.S. Senator Al Gore's son, is not notable. He is the son of a famous person. He has been in the news many, many, many times, but he is not notable. Just because you are related to someone famous does not make you notable. Larry Sanders' notability is based upon Larry Sanders's work as a politician in England and for no other reason. You need to stop placing in his American birth in the first sentence. That addition does not follow the Wikipedia MOS.--ML (talk) 22:06, 16 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I notice you completely failed to address the main point I made, which is that his current nationality is American. Even if you want to exclude him being described as American due to his birth or notability, you cannot deny he is currently an American citizen, and MOS does not exclude mentioning current nationalities. Even if he wasn't currently an American citizen, it would at the very least be sensible to mention that he was American born, considering he spent so much of his life there, was educated there, etc, but for whatever petty reason you seem intent on exorcising any mention of his Americanness.

You keep missing the point. The fact that he was born in the America is mentioned in the article. I am only pointing out that according to the MOS the place of birth is not be referred to in the first sentence unless it is important to his notability. And where he is born in not relevant to the his notability in any way whatsoever.--ML (talk) 01:22, 19 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The guy has dual nationality. 'American-British' (using alphabetical order) would be the correct description for the opening sentence in this case. That would mention his nationalities and make no reference to his place of birth, which is Brooklyn, New York. Place of birth and nationality are completely different concepts. Unfortunately dual nationality seems to be an alien (pun intended) concept for many on Wikipedia. 82.171.253.241 (talk) 01:01, 26 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Larry Sanders' Birthday

Hey, Larry's Facebook page says that he was born on 29th April, not the 25th. I highly doubt that he'd somehow manage to get his own birthday wrong, and on top of that the sources for the previous date are both junk anyway. I've just updated the article with the correct date. I'd be grateful if someone could do cleanup on the useless cite notes that have no relevant information.

Thank you all. Peace. 2A02:C7D:2D6B:BC00:4CE4:204B:EC36:C040 (talk) 15:50, 30 April 2019 (UTC)Ghost_1824[reply]

Larry Sanders Ancestry

On his mother's side, only her father came from Poland while his Mother was born in the Russia. Guardian101 (talk) 09:37, 10 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]