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On the Mexico main article under demographics, there is some mention of several Native American tribes from the US settled in Northern Mexico in the 19th century. According to what I read on the Kickapoo in the July 1985 National Geographic on the US-Mexican border, the writers encountered Kickapoos living on the south bank of the Rio Grande across from Texas. The number of Kickapoo in the northern states of Coahuila and Nuevo Leon are said at under 1,000...and very few manage to preserve their tribal traditions and customs, such as the Kickapoo language no longer heard in the open in their community. Then came the other tribes fleding the US cavalry: Cherokee, Lipan, Apache, Comanche, Choctaw, Shawnee and Muscogee have introduced another part of the indigenous cultures of the Americas that still thrives in generally small villages, mostly found in the states of Chihuahua and Tamaulipas. 63.3.14.223:13, 23 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Danielenriquegr14 changed the figures of number of speakers in the table according to those provided by INEGI for the 2005 Census. The previous figures were those reported by CDI for 2000. While the 2005 figures are more "recent", they only include speakers 5 and older [1] while those of CDI included all [2]. Should a 4 year old nahua growing in a home where náhautl is the first language, and who, most probably, is only learning that language during his first years, be included in this list? Variation between CDI 2000 figures and INEGI 2005 is quite large (i.e. 300,000 less speakers of náhuatl). The question, open to debate is, which figures should be reported here the 2000 figures which are greater than 2005 given that the latter do not include 4 and younger? --Dúnadan (formerly Alonso)02:25, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I think we have to use the newest available. I don't think any of us are am in a position to decide if CDI or INEGI's surveys are more accurate. Normally speaker surveys are notoriously inaccurate. 300,000 more or less isn't only a question about counting children or not but also about counting methods etc. I say we go with 2005.Maunus05:06, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I believe (based on CDI's webpage) that CDI used INEGI's figures for 2000 (or cooperated with the process of gathering data), so that discrepancies are actually because INEGI did not include children under 5 in their reports, and not a question of accuracy. But I guess keeping the most recent data is OK as long as we specify that only pop. 5 and older is included.--Dúnadan (formerly Alonso)05:17, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
If CDI used INEGIS figures then how could they include persons in their census that hadn't been counted by the INEGI? But yes it should be specified. (Interestingly three languages have higher figures than in 2000, Tzeltal, Popoluca and Tepehuán)Maunus06:49, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I don't know. I guess it was just a matter of reporting data, they gather it for all, but they report only for 5 and older. They do the same thing when it comes to religion, they only show figures of pop. 5 and older, though this case makes more sense to me since I really doubt that at 4 you really know what you believe in. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Dúnadan (talk • contribs) 15:24, 12 January 2007 (UTC).[reply]
The speaker populations are absolutely untrustworthy here. INEGI does a poor job with their linguistic surveys. I am a fieldworker who has worked on Ixcatec. There are 4-8 good speakers remaining, yet INEGI provides a number of over 400. Scholars working on indigenous languages of Mexico never use these data.Lingboy (talk) 02:53, 29 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I think the recent edits by 69.213.214.106 are inappropriate for this article. First, they are unreferenced, but most importantly, this article is not about immigrations and the various immigrants have influenced the culture of Mexico. This article is about languages. Those edits should be added to Immigration to Mexico and they should be properly referenced. This is not the right place for that information. --theDúnadan05:01, 11 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I tend to agree although it does seem to be relevant to mention such immigrant languages as plautdietsch and veneto italian.·Maunus··ƛ·08:12, 11 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
That info was already in the article and was not part of the recent edits. The only info that I would keep of the recent edit would be that which exclusively pertains to the languages that are still spoken in Mexico (properly referenced), like French and Chinese. --theDúnadan15:42, 11 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I think the article as is nowgives an enormous amount of undue weight to immigrant languages. Those languages combined should fill less than the paragraph on legislation. In comparison the idigenous langauges and spanish are severely underrepresented. I agree that the immigrant language section (which seems to deal more with immigrant culture) could go in a separate article called something like Immigrant groups in Mexico or similar.·Maunus··ƛ·18:10, 12 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I propose that we move that info to Immigration to Mexico. I would, however, leave a section with two or three paragraphs about non-Indigenous languages. Some of them have more speakers than some of the "national" languages. --theDúnadan18:13, 12 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I would like to know where are the sources to say that there are more Veneto speakers in Mexico than, say, Nahuatl. While i do believe they should be mentioned in the article. I think is wrong to state an imaginary proportion of them. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Komalantz (talk • contribs) 12:42, 5 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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What on Earth is going on with this wildly long table and all kinds of media trailing around at the end? Some of these files should be removed or put into a gallery. I am indifferent to either solution, but the current formatting is heinous. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯05:43, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Can you describe the problem you are seeing, because I can't follow from your comment. I see seven images in the article; is that the problem? Mathglot (talk) 05:54, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The page looks completely normal to me; I see nothing like that on a standard laptop with a medium size monitor; the table ends well before that. (I tried narrowing my window to extremely narrow, and as wide as possible, but nothing I do can make that table look too long or have too much white space near it.) What device, editor, and skin are you using? There are all sorts of things that don't look right on smaller devices, but that image doesn't look like a phone; is it a tablet of some sort? Whatever the problem is, and it does appear there is a problem, I think probably this page is the wrong venue for your question. We should try to find a page that deals with appearance using different skins and editors, but I'm not sure where that would be. Maybe you could start at WP:VPT, and if that's not the right place, I'm sure they can tell you what is. Mathglot (talk) 07:26, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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