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Its own album/not a reissue now?

In now-deleted tweets, SZA claimed that she would be redoing Lana all over again because three of her songs (I assume they were "Joni", "Work It", and "Protect My Heart" but I don't see RS talking about it) were leaked, but a day later she said: "Will be dropping the leaks and outtakes from SOS as promised as the deluxe asap. Lana deserves more time and music no one’s ever heard before. Seems fair. Bless." Now, I assume she was being very particular with her words here and said the actual deluxe will not consist of new material, which implies Lana is an entirely new project. This tracks with what she previously said about Lana evolving into its new album. Thoughts? ‍ Elias 🪐 (dreaming of Saturn; talk here) 05:19, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Your Power I believe due to SZA's words, she now wants Lana to be its new seperate work. The intended songs for the original Lana reissue will likely be repurposed into SOS' new deluxe album. She hasn't made a statement on whether Saturn will remain part of Lana or will instead become part of the SOS deluxe. 𝘮𝘪𝘤𝘩𝘢𝘦𝘭'𝘴 𝘥𝘦𝘢𝘳 𝘮𝘦𝘭𝘢𝘯𝘤𝘩𝘰𝘭𝘺, 05:27, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@AskeeaeWiki I agree with the first and last bits...but secondary sources are currently reporting "Saturn" is intended for Lana right now, so I am ambivalent to changing it. Further, while "DTM" is likely staying on Lana because it was made after SOS and nobody technically leaked it, that might mean songs like "Boy from South Detroit", previewed back in 2021; "PSA", previewed in 2022 before the official SOS teaser; and "Joni", dropped in 2021 and has since had its verse with Don Toliver leaked, will be for the actual deluxe instead because they probably are outtakes. We should keep an eye out for that deluxe soon so the article for Lana, as well as SOS, can be updated accordingly. ‍ Elias 🪐 (dreaming of Saturn; talk here) 05:49, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Pinging other frequent contemporary music editors @Flabshoe1 @Dylx for their input. ‍ Elias 🪐 (dreaming of Saturn; talk here) 05:29, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with waiting for the SOS Deluxe drop to make any changes. Artists change their plans a lot, so we’ll have to wait and see what makes it onto the deluxe to be sure what is intended for Lana and what is not. Flabshoe1 (talk) 09:55, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Flabshoe1, I know you said to wait for changes, but jfyi, Rolling Stone just reported on the topic and came to the same conclusion: "Last night, SZA further addressed the issue in a series of tweets, confirming the deluxe edition of SOS will now feature 'the leaks and outtakes' and Lana will be its own thing." If a reliable source makes this interpretation, is it at the very least safe to edit the article to signify Lana is now SZA's third studio album? We can edit the rest of the article such that it doesn't explicitly say "DTM" etc. will be on Lana. ‍ Elias 🪐 (dreaming of Saturn; talk here) 13:09, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Since it's been reported by a secondary source, I think it is fair to include that in the article for Lana, explaining that it was initially intended to be the deluxe but has now become its own project/release (instead of studio album, because I don't think SZA or any secondary source has confirmed the length of the new project). Likewise, the other songs can be edited to say they are intended for the deluxe of SOS, originally entitled Lana before that became a separate project. Flabshoe1 (talk) 13:58, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hey @Your Power, thanks for thinking of me! To be honest, I've been refraining from adding content to SZA-related articles recently because, as we all know, news with her changes so often. Her releases have been too chaotic for me to keep up with past being a casual listener, and her career has been all over the place. I haven't been keeping up with much SOS/Lana news, but IMO, the Rolling Stone piece is convincing enough for me to consider this her third studio album. I don't understand how a project originally intended to be a deluxe edition for an album becomes a new project, a reissue, then a new body of work unrelated to the album it was created to be a deluxe for? It's just too confusing for me. Dylx 15:58, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Dylx: Yeah I fear there's a lot going on. I saw on Twitter (and my SoundCloud account) her label's been taking down three songs ("Potting Season" / "PSA", "Nightbird", "Take You Down") from the platform since a few hours ago, so I think we're way past the point that we remain confused on whether the deluxe and Lana are the same thing --- the songs are getting copyright striked, which means their official release is soon. ‍ Elias 🪐 (dreaming of Saturn; talk here) 03:42, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Okay... reviving this topic because SZA just dropped a teaser for Lana on IG. At the end of that teaser, "SOS Deluxe" is displayed under "Lana" --- does this mean she switched up again and re-merged the two projects? Pinging @Darkyonce92 who made the change, and @Firework220 who reverted it. Elias / PSA 🏕️🪐 ^{[please make some noise]} 02:49, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

cc @AskeeaeWiki @Flabshoe1 and @Dylx who participated in the last discussion. Elias / PSA 🏕️🪐 ^{[please make some noise]} 02:49, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@PSA I'll be honest, I'm not even sure :sob:. Solana has been prettyyyy mysterious regarding this, but based on recent posts, LANA is now the official Deluxe/reissue of SOS. 𝘮𝘪𝘤𝘩𝘢𝘦𝘭'𝘴 𝘥𝘦𝘢𝘳 𝘮𝘦𝘭𝘢𝘯𝘤𝘩𝘰𝘭𝘺, 07:23, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@AskeeaeWiki TDE and RCA explicitly confirmed the two are the same minutes after I posted. So at this point, I'm certain we can let this weird saga of the Lana/deluxe lore go. The article and all associated pages have already been updated accordingly, it seems. One thing about SZA she will change her mind about things last-minute I guess. 🤷‍♀️ Elias / PSA 🏕️🪐 ^{[please make some noise]} 15:04, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@PSA We still love SZA though! Glad to see the articles were accordingly changed in a quick but civil manner. 𝘮𝘪𝘤𝘩𝘢𝘦𝘭'𝘴 𝘥𝘦𝘢𝘳 𝘮𝘦𝘭𝘢𝘯𝘤𝘩𝘰𝘭𝘺, 16:08, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge

I see this has already been discussed above. However, this isn't a completely new body of work or anything of that sort. It is a deluxe edition just like Doja Cat's Scarlet 2 Claude. A section on SOS will do. dxneo (talk) 10:37, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Dxneo I disagree. There is enough coverage about Lana as its own project that warrants a separate article. Think of articles for The Fame Monster and Pink Friday: Roman Reloaded – The Re-Up, which are reissues of The Fame and Pink Friday: Roman Reloaded respectively. Elias / PSA 🏕️🪐 ^{[please make some noise]} 13:13, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

They all have enough coverage. Just like remixes including "Die for You" (Remix). I also don't know where you got the information that it is a "reissue". Most (if not all) say it is SOS deluxe. The aforementioned source clearly states "Lana serves as the deluxe edition to SZA’s critically and commercially acclaimed sophomore album SOS". dxneo (talk) 13:39, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

We have sources like The AV Club, Billboard, and Uproxx calling it one. Also, that Billboard Philippines source you linked also says it's a reissue so I don't know how you got that statement. Either way, Lana is not your average deluxe edition; if it were, then yes a merge might be called for. This deluxe/reissue difference lies in how many of the songs on Lana were recorded after SOS's release. ("DTM" / "Diamond Boy" is given as an example in the article). For some that weren't mentioned, this track called "Take You Down" is also new. Elias / PSA 🏕️🪐 ^{[please make some noise]} 14:19, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It's still a deluxe. Maybe AfD can solve this since it will get more attention and thorough assessment there. dxneo (talk) 14:31, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

yes this is a deluxe but i think since it has a different name and is expected to have a significant number of new tracks and many songs were recorded for it after the release of SOS it should have its own page 45.150.172.52 (talk) 15:43, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Again, this is exactly the same thing as Scarlet 2 Claude. dxneo (talk) 15:58, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It really is not article-wise... so much has been written in RS about this article's subject, from the amount of tracks to the delays to the aesthetic to the leaks. Feel free to initiate the AFD yourself, but WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS applies here. You have to argue that this article goes against GNG, not just because you compared it to one article. Elias / PSA 🏕️🪐 ^{[please make some noise]} 22:50, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't want it deleted, but merged. Hope you understand. dxneo (talk) 23:03, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Theres no rules to merge them. Camilasdandelions (talk) 12:08, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Exactly. It does not make sense to merge considering the amount of coverage and how high-profile "Lana" is. Using "Scarlet 2 Claude" as an example does not make much sense considering 1) less songs 2) promoted less 3) got less media coverage. Pxlpixx (talk) 13:00, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Agree with you. There's no meaningful thing to merge SOS and LANA. why don't we just remain LANA and SOS separately? Camilasdandelions (talk) 13:05, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Like I said before, they all have enough coverage, but I will not be bold and jump to conclusions. Instead, I will wait and see how this plays out after a week or so, then I'll decide if this should be taken to AfD where it will receive more attention from experienced editors. dxneo (talk) 19:39, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The difference is that Doja Cat's single from her deluxe or reissue was not succesful or notable. That's not the case here though, "Saturn" received significant success so therefore there's no reason to merge. The reissue in this case is highly notable. 173.225.243.233 (talk) 17:47, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

They are both notable, but okay. dxneo (talk) 19:43, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

doja's scarlet 2 claude is nowhere near as notable as LANA currently is Btssupremacy (talk) 20:31, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Why is this discussion full of new and inexperienced accounts? Hmm sus'. dxneo (talk) 21:26, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

because your points just dont make sense, i usually never jump into these but literally none of this is making sense Btssupremacy (talk) 21:52, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Can we not cast aspersions about people participating in this discussion? RachelTensions (talk) 17:40, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

just same case with The Fame Monster. It isn't merged. Camilasdandelions (talk) 21:59, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This is 15 new songs and the current state of the article should be more than enough evidence to show that there is enough significant coverage and material for it to stand on its own as an independent article. RachelTensions (talk) 17:44, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ben Stiller in the Drive Music video

it was posted on SZA's Instagram. should be noted here 69.55.122.53 (talk) 22:46, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello! Thank you for leaving a comment about it here. It should be added shortly along with the details about the pre-save and new cover art. Elias / PSA 🏕️🪐 ^{[please make some noise]} 23:17, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Article merge

Articleszm (talk) 19:58, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Articleszm, you are supposed to make your case for why you started this merge discussion. Elias / PSA 🏕️🪐 ^{[please make some noise]} 23:01, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Articleszm (talk) 15:01, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose As with multiple reissues that have notability they should be kept. This is pertaining to the huge hit "Saturn" and even what "Drive" is looking like it will be. Both seem to be doing great on the charts and have huge notability to them. Therefore I see no reason to merge.

173.225.243.233 (talk) 17:44, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Page move

Hello, @Zvig47, and thanks for the bold move. However I have reverted it for now, per WP:COMMONNAME and WP:CRITERIA. You are welcome to discuss further what the most appropriate title for this page should be. Elias 🦗🐜 ^{[Chat, they chattin', they chat]} 01:04, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Well considering its full title is SOS Deluxe: Lana, it makes sense to title the page with its official title instead of just its shortened one. Zvig47 (talk) 04:44, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Zvig47: you also have to keep in mind that Wikipedia has policies for article names. The shortened version Lana is more concise (which passes criterion 4), and it is overwhelmingly the more used search term on Google (which passes criterion 2). As far as I know we don't have articles with titles formatted this way so criterion 5 is a pass as well. Elias 🦗🐜 ^{[Chat, they chattin', they chat]} 04:51, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]