Talk:Labor Zionism

This article is written in American English, which has its own spelling conventions (color, defense, traveled) and some terms that are used in it may be different or absent from other varieties of English. According to the relevant style guide, this should not be changed without broad consensus.

Israel Mid‑importance

This article is within the scope of WikiProject Israel, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Israel on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.IsraelWikipedia:WikiProject IsraelTemplate:WikiProject IsraelIsrael-related

Mid

This article has been rated as Mid-importance on the project's importance scale.

Project Israel To Do:

Here are some tasks awaiting attention:

Assess : Rate the Unassessed Israel-related articles and Unknown-importance Israel-related articles.
Cleanup : Cleanup listing for this project is available. See also the list by category and the tool's wiki page.
Collaborate : Participate in WikiProject Israel Palestine Collaboration.
Copyedit : Timeline of the Israeli–Palestinian conflict in 2005
Deletion sorting : Participate in discussions at WikiProject Deletion sorting/Israel.
Expand : Ayala Procaccia, Diamond industry in Israel, Edna Arbel, Levin Kipnis, Rami Kleinstein, Sephardic Haredim, Zman Tel Aviv, Nachum Heiman, Public Defence (Israel), Prisoner of Zion, Trial of Benjamin Netanyahu, Day to Mark the Departure and Expulsion of Jews from the Arab Countries and Iran, Pre-Modern Aliyah
See also Articles needing translation from Hebrew Wikipedia.
Geographical coordinates : Add geographic coordinates to Israel articles missing geocoordinate data.
Infobox : Add infoboxes to Israel articles needing infoboxes.
Maintain : See Israel articles needing attention.
Map : See discussion at Module:Location map/data/Israel. Add maps to articles in Wikipedia requested maps in Israel.
NPOV : Jewish exodus from Arab and Muslim countries
Photo : Add pictures to articles in Wikipedia requested photographs in Israel.
Stubs : See Israel stubs.
Update : Basic Law proposal: Israel as the Nation-State of the Jewish People
Other :
- Translate to Hebrew : David Bar-Hayim, Guy Bavli, and Guy Oseary.

Socialism Mid‑importance

	Socialism portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Socialism, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of socialism on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.SocialismWikipedia:WikiProject SocialismTemplate:WikiProject Socialismsocialism
Mid	This article has been rated as Mid-importance on the project's importance scale.

Politics Low‑importance

	Politics portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Politics, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of politics on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.PoliticsWikipedia:WikiProject PoliticsTemplate:WikiProject Politicspolitics
Low	This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.

Jewish history Mid‑importance

	Judaism portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Jewish history, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Jewish history on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.Jewish historyWikipedia:WikiProject Jewish historyTemplate:WikiProject Jewish historyJewish history-related
Mid	This article has been rated as Mid-importance on the project's importance scale.

Judaism Mid‑importance

	Judaism portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Judaism, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Judaism-related articles on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.JudaismWikipedia:WikiProject JudaismTemplate:WikiProject JudaismJudaism
Mid	This article has been rated as Mid-importance on the project's importance scale.

Palestine Mid‑importance

	Palestine portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Palestine, a team effort dedicated to building and maintaining comprehensive, informative and balanced articles related to the geographic Palestine region, the Palestinian people and the State of Palestine on Wikipedia. Join us by visiting the project page, where you can add your name to the list of members where you can contribute to the discussions.PalestineWikipedia:WikiProject PalestineTemplate:WikiProject PalestinePalestine-related
Mid	This article has been rated as Mid-importance on the project's importance scale.

International relations Mid‑importance

	This article is within the scope of WikiProject International relations, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of International relations on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.International relationsWikipedia:WikiProject International relationsTemplate:WikiProject International relationsInternational relations
Mid	This article has been rated as Mid-importance on the project's importance scale.

Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment

This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 1 September 2020 and 22 December 2020. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): Riananjara.

Above undated message substituted from Template:Dashboard.wikiedu.org assignment by PrimeBOT (talk) 02:04, 17 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Untitled

I'm a member in good standing of Habonim Dror, a labor zionist organization. There should be info on this page about organizations like this. - --68.235.169.11 00:41, 26 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

lead section

The introduction to this article is not encyclopedic, and needs to be rewritten.--Gilabrand 09:20, 7 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

So... rewrite. What's stopping you? :-) --Zikim 16:57, 7 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

NPOV

The entire article in present form is anti-Zionist propaganda and fairly inaccurate. Its references are primarily Sternhell who is antagonistic to Zionism, and there are the usual "Ben Gurion quotes" taken out of context and carefully edited to look monstrous.

Many of the statements "facts" and assertions are probably false, including the Hebrew translation of Labor Zionism - which is translated as Socialist Zionism, a slightly different thing. Quoting Sternhell about Labor Zionism is like quoting the Lubavitcher Rabbi about the Qur'an.

The stated goal of Labor Zionism was to create a Jewish proletariat in Palestine and to uphold the dignity of labor as a Jewish national value. It is evident in the writings of Gordon, Ben Gurion and others. Mewnews (talk) 20:34, 8 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Needs more Sources!

I have added the onesource template. The unsigned editor above was correct in stating that the references are primarily Sternhell, an academic who is known to be hostile to Zionism. In particular, I would like to see more discussion of how Labor Zionism is related to Socialism- right now the article, being so greatly swayed by Sternhell's book (which takes the position, as I understand it, that these two things were in fact not related), tends to argue the same position as the book, which is, needless to say, POV. I will do what I can myself when I can. Rudy Breteler (talk) 02:55, 7 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Clarity

It was, for many years, a significant tendency among Zionists and Zionist organizational structure and the major stream of the Zionist movement.

A significant tendency to what?

The "labor Zionism Today" section, the first sentence especially, is unclear. What is the two-state solution a solution for? I shouldn't have to read another article just to find out what 'Labor Zionism' is. I shouldn't have to look at another article to understand this one. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.166.31.61 (talk) 20:42, 7 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

labor or labour?

Do the Jews speak Commonwealth English or American English? WHO do they love more, their former saviours - or - their current ones? YOU DECIDE 81.158.229.42 (talk) 02:16, 24 January 2014 (UTC) 81.158.229.42 (talk) 02:16, 24 January 2014 (UTC) I think that that is a strange argument. As 'labour zionism' is rooted in Europe, it would be logical to use the European/Commonwealth spelling. Bever (talk) 05:26, 8 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

External links modified

Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I have just modified one external link on Labor Zionism. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:

Added archive https://archive.is/20101017220129/http://www.jewishtribune.ca/TribuneV2/201004142880/Albert-Einstein-was-a-political-activist.html/ to http://www.jewishtribune.ca/TribuneV2/201004142880/Albert-Einstein-was-a-political-activist.html/

When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.

This message was posted before February 2018. After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{source check}} (last update: 5 June 2024).

If you have discovered URLs which were erroneously considered dead by the bot, you can report them with this tool.
If you found an error with any archives or the URLs themselves, you can fix them with this tool.

Cheers.—InternetArchiveBot (Report bug) 04:16, 15 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

NPOV

I strongly feel that the citation Z. Sternhell, 1998, The Founding Myths of Israel, ISBN 0-691-01694-1 is not adhering to Neutral Point of veiw. While an entire section is dependant on it. Is there any other sources that cites the same content? Dheerajmpai23 (talk) 23:30, 27 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Wiki Education assignment: Zionism and the Roads Not Taken 1880-1948

This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 15 February 2023 and 11 May 2023. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): Browneye123 (article contribs). Peer reviewers: Notsunny9299, Dolphin372, Bane117.

— Assignment last updated by Bane117 (talk) 03:46, 12 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

...And this assignment created a sore mess of the article (or increased it). I fixed a couple things off my head, but I am not interested much in the subject to waste more of my time on it, because it would require tedious double-checking with the sources, because I learned to never trust "Wiki Education" assignments. Time and again I see that assigners never bother to check the homework of their students. --Altenmann >talk 19:11, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

P.S. Whenever I see a smoothly-written nonsense, I learned to check whether it was an "assignemnt". Now the second bane and plague is sweeping wikipedia: chatbots and "language models".<sigh> --Altenmann >talk 19:15, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You did a lot more than "fix a couple things off your head," @Altenmann. Until your edit, every version of this page that has ever existed, preceding this course by literal decades, has begun with a version of either, "Labor Zionism is the left-wing, socialist variant of Zionism," or "Labor Zionism refers to the left-wing, socialist variant of Zionism."

Your edit changed it to, "Labor Zionism was the left-wing, socialist variant if Zionism," and the entire rest of the lede is in past tense.

That was either an honest mistake, unsourced OR, or blatant POV pushing.

You did what Jabotinsky couldn't, and killed Labor Zionism. 2A02:14F:177:8A68:ACDD:B51B:1DE7:D412 (talk) 19:48, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You did what Jabotinsky couldn't, and killed Labor Zionism. – bwahahaha-rrr. The lede said "refers to". We do not use such phrasing. We say "is" or "was". My choice of tense was careless. Don't panic. Fixed. --Altenmann >talk 19:56, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

P.S. The rest of the lede was already using the past tense, that's probably why I used "was". --Altenmann >talk 20:00, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Labor Zionism vs Bund

I haven't had a chance to check it out yet but this may be a better source and also allow for added detail: Converging Alternatives: The Bund and the Zionist Labor Movement, 1897–1985 (review) from Shofar: An Interdisciplinary Journal of Jewish Studies (likely available on Wikipedia library). If someone has access to the actual book being reviewed, even better. Wellington Bay (talk) 00:27, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]