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Did you know... that despite an attempted "extermination" of homosexuals in the 1960s and 1970s, the LGBT community in Argentina (parade pictured) is now the most accepted in Latin America?

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The result was: promoted by Kingsif (talk) 07:24, 28 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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LGBT pride parade in Argentina

~~... that the LGBT community in Argentina (pride parade pictured) uses the slang word "paqui" to refer to heterosexual people?~~

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Ámbito Financiero. Quote: "The truth is that in Argentina, the "paqui", an expression used by gays to refer to heterosexuals (it comes from pachyderm, associating it with bored, slow people)..." ("Lo cierto es que en la Argentina, los “Paqui”, expresión utilizada por los gays para referirse a los heterosexuales (viene de paquidermo, asociándolo a personas aburridas, lentas)...")
Revista Noticias. Quote: "Unlike what it means in Europe, where it is used contemptuously to identify South Asian immigrants without subtlety, in Argentina the term paki began to be applied at the beginning of the 20th century - also in a derogatory way - by gays and lesbians when referring to heterosexuals (A discrimination from the minority, something like the goy for the Jews)." ("A diferencia de lo que significa en Europa, donde se utiliza despectivamente para identificar sin sutileza a inmigrantes surasiáticos, en la Argentina el término paki lo empezaron a aplicar a principios del siglo XX –también en forma despectiva- gays y lesbianas al referirse a los heterosexuales (una discriminación desde la minoría, algo así como el goy para los judíos).")
Filo.news. Quote: "Paqui is a term that was born to refer to heterosexual people in a pejorative way." ("'Paqui' es un término que nace para denominar de forma peyorativa a las personas heterosexuales.")

ALT 1 ... that despite an attempted "extermination" of homosexuals in the 1960s and 1970s, the LGBT community in Argentina is now the most accepted in Latin America? [1] and Page 323. Sebreli, Juan José. "Historia secreta de la homosexualidad en Buenos Aires". Escritos sobre escritos, ciudades bajo ciudades (1st ed.). June 1997. Buenos Aires: Editorial Sudamericana.

Created by Rumba Samba Mambo (talk). Self-nominated at 23:36, 11 July 2021 (UTC).[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: - Offline/paywalled citation accepted in good faith Interesting:

Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.
Freely licensed: Used in article: Clear at 100px:

QPQ: None required.

Overall: Long enough and well sourced, every paragraph except for the lede is cited. Article was expanded by well over 5x (looks closer to 70x) as part of Wiki Loves Pride, taking it from a stub to a massive page. No apparent copyvio or other issues. QPQ is not yet needed, as nominator has not yet had 5 hooks. Approving ALT1, and adding a citation for it from the article. Note that I am assuming good faith on the source, and do not have access to it. Per the discussion below, I have removed ALT0. BuySomeApples (talk) 04:24, 23 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

A hook not highlighting a pejorative would be better. Belle (talk) 00:26, 12 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Although pejorative, it is a term used by an oppressed minority to refer to the norm. There is no structural or historical discrimination towards heterosexuality, and heterosexuals are not attacked or harassed with the term paqui; it is rather a humorous, shared code between LGBT people. I could relate this to the non-existence of "reverse racism" (from blacks to whites) and of the oppression of women towards men. ℜ𝔲𝔪𝔟𝔞 𝔖𝔞𝔪𝔟𝔞 𝔐𝔞𝔪𝔟𝔬 🌠 (talk) 07:15, 12 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

A hook not highlighting a pejorative would be better. Even if we accept that minorities' pejorative terms for majorities are acceptable, a hook won't carry that nuance (and as is mentioned in your second source this term is a homophone for a racial slur in the UK and Scandinavia). There are positive hooks that can be formulated from that article. Belle (talk) 08:07, 12 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Belle I see what you mean, thank you for your comment. Even though the article is very substantial, I find it difficult to find a correct hook that can incorporate the article's title in the sentence. Do you have a suggestion? ℜ𝔲𝔪𝔟𝔞 𝔖𝔞𝔪𝔟𝔞 𝔐𝔞𝔪𝔟𝔬 🌠 (talk) 19:20, 12 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, it is quite hard to shoehorn the title in, and many of the natural hooks tend to be more on LGBT rights which is a separate article. What about:
ALT 1 ... that despite an attempted "extermination" of homosexuals in the 1960s and 1970s, the LGBT community in Argentina is now the most accepted in Latin America? Belle (talk) 23:06, 15 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Sounds great to me! ℜ𝔲𝔪𝔟𝔞 𝔖𝔞𝔪𝔟𝔞 𝔐𝔞𝔪𝔟𝔬 🌠 (talk) 01:46, 17 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Belle: just checking to see if you were going to finish this review, if not I can take over.BuySomeApples (talk) 00:52, 21 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I was never reviewing it; just critiquing the hook. Please go ahead. Belle (talk) 16:47, 21 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Great in that case I'm approving your proposed hook, as the article checks out.BuySomeApples (talk) 04:24, 23 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Belle and Rumba Samba Mambo: For future reference, the hooks don't have to contain the article title, just an intuitive relevant phrase that can be linked. Kingsif (talk) 07:24, 28 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Splitting proposal

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.

There is no opposition to split the page as proposed.Felix QW (talk) 16:47, 24 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I propose that section History be split into a separate page called LGBT history in Argentina. The content of the current page is a mix of general informations about LGBT topics in Argentina, but the historical ones are prominent, and this section is large enough to make its own page. Aleksandr Sokolin (talk) 21:34, 9 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.