Talk:Ken Grant

Colin Pantall's blog

One of the cited sources is "Colin Pantall's blog". Yes, "Colin Pantall's blog" is the title of Colin Pantall's blog. And mere blogs are not what WP normally regards as reliable sources. But NB Pantall isn't just some geezer with a blog; he's a senior lecturer in photography at the University of South Wales. And therefore the (minor) use made here of one of his blog entries is proper, I think. -- Hoary (talk) 23:57, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

"See also"s

The reader is advised to "see also"

• Tom Wood (photographer)
• Rob Hornstra - for his slow journalism

I'm not so knowledgable about Tom Wood. I've seen his Photie Man, Men, and Women, but not his earlier books (they're not in "my" library and they're priced beyond my reach). I suppose he's here because he's a fellow street portraitist of Liverpool. OK, but perhaps better to say "Like Tom Wood, Grant has concentrated...."

I'm better acquainted with Rob Hornstra's work. And yes he does slow journalism (as do a sizable and interesting minority of photographers). But does Grant? And whether or not you can call Grant's work slow journalism, is there any resemblance between Grant's work and Hornstra's?

If this were my own website, I'd forget the fellow photographers and look for photobooks that were somehow complementary. Hmm, perhaps

• John Darwell's Jimmy Jock, Albert and the Six-Sided Clock
• Sirkka-Liisa Konttinen's Byker Revisited
• Peter Marlow's Looking out to Sea
• Martin Parr's The Last Resort
• Tom Wood's, um, something or other

Not that there'd be any pressing reason to limit it to Britain.

However, I'm pretty sure that such an effort here would be summarily deleted as "unencyclopedic"; so it's out.

(Darwell's somebody else who merits an article, BTW.) -- Hoary (talk) 10:55, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

I have only the same Tom Wood books as you; Men/Women arrived recently and I've not yet opened it. I added him for the reason you ascribe, and for the fact he lingers about, becoming known to people, though not to the same extent as Grant. I was making a connection between the way Grant spends time with his subjects, and Hornstra's, but perhaps as you say it is too tenuous. My rationale with both these links was what I consider the usefulness for the reader to be led away to similar kinds of work and practice but I admit defeat in the face of your deeper rigour. I had thought that these links could be more tangential than what you are saying. I will take your advice and try to weave such links and comparisons into the prose in future where I consider them particularly comparable.

Coincidentally I read this yesterday too: "Great photo (though one that's already well known), from an excellent book: I can help. This was published by Cornerhouse (then run by Dewi Lewis, now of course an independent publisher) in 1988. There's an abundant supply of moderately priced copies. Indeed, if you look for any photobook from Cornerhouse from about this period, you'll find a lot of goodies that I'd say deliver more bang per quid than the average of what's in the three Parr/Badger books: Paul Reas, Flogging a Dead Horse; John Darwell, Jimmy Jock, Albert and the Six-sided Clock; David Lurie, Life in the Liberated Zone; Jim Rice, Deptford Creek; Chris Steele-Perkins, The Pleasure Principle; and more."

I will see if they are indeed affordable. -Lopifalko (talk)

My guess is that if any isn't affordable, then an affordable copy or two will soon pop up, so just be patient. Though don't wait so long that a "Parr-Badger 4" (shudder) includes any. ¶ Much more recently published via (though not by) Cornerhouse is some more good, moderately priced, slow journalism: Len Grant's Billy and Rolonde. -- Hoary (talk) 01:07, 26 April 2014 (UTC)