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John Mulholland is a notable journalist and former editor of the Guardian, rather than quoting "just anyone". The quote is provided to add some context to the reception of the speech, with two differing viewpoints given by two notable journalists with citations, one giving the opinion that it was a cynical political entrance for Kai Trump and she was now one of the notable political figures in the Trump family, and another saying that she successfully made her grandfather appear human and succeeded as a positive political tool for her grandfather. If you would wish to add another quote and opinion, feel free to do so. Spiralwidget (talk) 14:28, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If you read the AfD, I think it is clear that generally editors were leaning keep (and I was one of them). If the outcome of the AfD was no consensus, I would claim that the outcome should be status quo ante bellum, which in this case would be keeping the article in current form. A redirect at this point would not be warranted and I would oppose such a move. Spiralwidget (talk) 13:45, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
AfD 1 is not the same as AfD 2. There was a significant change in the coverage of the subject between AfD 1 and AfD 2. I do not think you can claim that the consensus from AfD 1 applies here. Clearly the spirit in which the "no consensus" verdict was given was to say "the case for deletion or redirection has not been adequately supported". The null hypothesis of a deletion discussion is that the article should stand, and the burden of proof is on the people advocating for deletion in such a discussion. If you disagree with this, I would be happy to take this to WP:RFC? Spiralwidget (talk) 02:10, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Historically, in basically every case AFAICT, a no consensus result at AFD meant "no consensus to delete", and the article remained. That still applies here. QuicoleJR (talk) 03:15, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
WP:BLPDEL requires an affirmative consensus to recreate, but to be honest I can't be bothered to do anything about it (though nor would I do anything if someone did do something about it). Alpha3031 (t • c) 10:21, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
