Talk:K N Pathak

Origin and pronunciation of the given name Kare

@Rejoy2003: Further to our discussion at Talk:Ramnath Kare#Govind Ramnath Kare College of Law, do you know the origin and/or pronunciation of Dr Pathak's given name, Kare? And is it in any way related to the surname Kare held by Ramnath Govind Kare and Lata Bhagwan Kare, by any chance? Thanks in advance for any insight you can provide. 0DF (talk) 09:55, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

@0DF For name origin see the article page Pathak. Kare and Pathak almost sound the same. Pathak is pronounced as Paa-Tuk. Rejoy²⁰⁰³(talk) 10:58, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

@Rejoy2003: I'm afraid I must disagree with you on that. Kare and Pathak share their first vowel and their number of syllables, but nothing else. Besides, I was asking about the origin and pronunciation of Dr Pathak's given name, Kare, not his surname, Pathak. Do you know about that? 0DF (talk) 23:51, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

@0DF Read my reply again. I didn't say both the surnames are same, but "sound" the same (now I when I say this I don't actually mean they sound the same, I meant metaphorically. Me being a Goan and who has lived in India for most of his life is most qualified to answer such question. If you think otherwise, you can ask any other editors from South or best Western India. The given name is pronounced the exact same as the surname Kare. No it doesn't have any connection with the surname. Given names of Hindu people usually contain a meaning. It also apparently has Scandinavia origin [1], most probably brought to India during the British Raj. Rejoy²⁰⁰³(talk) 13:04, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

@Rejoy2003: I don't know what it means for two words "almost [to] sound the same" metaphorically, but I suppose I must have misapprehended your meaning. I doubt very much that the Indian and Scandinavian given names are related, in no small part because they aren't pronounced the same (properly spelt, Faroese Kári is pronounced roughly /ˈkɔːɑːrɪ/, Icelandic Kári roughly /ˈkæuːrɪ/, and Norwegian Kåre roughly /ˈkoʊrɛ/). I don't know any native Anglophone with that given name (which is no surprise given that the English cognate is Cory) so I don't see how the British Raj would've introduced the name to India; indeed, despite its insignificance, Danish India would have been a more plausible agent of the name's introduction.

I would've expected a name pronounced /ˈkɑːreɪ/ to have the Devanagari spelling *कारे, not करे, and I would've expected a word with the Devanagari spelling करे to be pronounced roughly */kəreɪ/, not /kɑːreɪ/. Still, here we are writing in English – a language notorious for its mismatches between spelling and pronunciation – so I considered it quite plausible that करे might be pronounced differently from the way its spelling would suggest. However, I went looking for Prof. Pathak's full name in Devanagari; guessing करे नारायण पाठक (Kare Nārāyaṇ Pāṭhak), I found this article in the Dainik Tribune. I therefore created an entry for करे as a Hindi male given name, finding in the process a pre-existing Hindi entry for करे as a conjugated form of the verb करना. According to the English Wiktionary's entry for that verb form, it is pronounced roughly /kəreɪ/, as one would expect from its spelling.

If you're interested, the answers to the questions I've asked you have fed into the English Wiktionary's entry for the English Kare, q.v. Thank you for your direct and indirect help to improve it. If you find persisting errors in the entry or can improve it in some way, I invite you to do so. If you find the entry's extensive templature difficult to navigate, feel free to suggest corrections and improvements via the entry's talk page. 0DF (talk) 15:52, 18 August 2024 (UTC)