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POV

Marked with POV tag. Article has a partiality towards subject instead of a neutral fact-based write-up about a living person. POV found throughout the article. Xadnder (talk) 07:22, 28 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Reverted back to version that had sourcing. Removed most of the unsourced POV stuff. --‖ Ebyabe ^talk - State of the Union ‖ 07:33, 1 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Proposal Youtube video

The elaborately staged proposal video of Baldoni proposing to his wife has racked up over 11 million video hits. For a proposal video, its pretty impressive (if a little long, at 25 minutes). Its been written up on Eonline and the NYPost, as well as a slew of others. - Jack Sebastian (talk) 05:40, 7 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Birthmark in his left eye

As seen here and here, Cookyboard has insisted that we should mention that Baldoni has a birthmark in his left eye because it's "notable and unusual personal information," while I have insisted that we should not include it because it's trivia/WP:DIARY material. Thoughts? I'll alert WP:BIOGRAPHY to this matter. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 23:01, 10 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Summoned by the WP:BIOGRAPHY alert) Twitter is not a reliable source. If the birthmark was discussed in a reliable source then there might be an argument for mentioning it. Otherwise not. --Deskford (talk) 23:15, 10 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Deskford, I didn't bring up the sourcing because official Twitter accounts have been used as acceptable WP:Primary sources on Wikipedia before. It's a WP:About self matter. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 00:17, 11 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

My next question then would be: is this birthmark an important defining influence on his work, or on the way others perceive his work? I know nothing about the subject, but from the Twitter interaction it looks to me like something that was brought up in a casual remark, and he brushed it off as insignificant. So still I say it is not worthy of mention. --Deskford (talk) 00:31, 11 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Blake Lively did not “sue”

Many journalists incorrectly jumped on this language. Ms. Lively filed a “complaint” with the California Civil Rights Department, which is a different legal action from a suit. Can an editor fix this language? (I’ve never edited - thanks!!)

see: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna185113

see full complaint: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/12/21/us/complaint-of-blake-lively-v-wayfarer-studios-llc-et-al.html TexasAnna (talk) 16:25, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Counter claims

Regarding this revert, with the comment Adding counter-allegations is false balance that only serves to continue the alleged harassment of Blake Lively. I don't see it as a false balance to include Baldoni's lawyer's response to the allegations, just as the sources covering the topic do. If the denial is only given "Baldoni has denied the accusations", then the complaint should be given as, "Lively accused Baldoni of sexual harassment". Instead we have a detailed description of Lively's complaint and just the barest mention of a denial.

For example, I was surprised to read that the CEO shared a video of his wife giving birth, and that was included in the complaint as "videos of nude women". Most people would not interpret it that way. I suggest either including details of the response, or removing the details of the allegation. This is generally how the sources cover the topic. Cuñado ☼ - Talk 16:51, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia is not a newspaper, it's an encyclopedia. It's right and proper to simply state that he denied the claims, and if people want to read more then they can go to the sources. When WP:NPOV and WP:BLP apply, it is absolutely not neutral to platform Baldoni's biased and unverified counter-claims, especially when immediately before that the article says "Baldoni and producer Jamey Heath hired crisis management experts who allegedly coordinated efforts to damage Lively's reputation through social media campaigns and strategic media placement." Why aid and abet this damaging to Lively's reputation? 2A02:C7C:CC80:8200:D0A5:C7F1:FA61:31A7 (talk) 21:01, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

As I mentioned, it is not appropriate to detail the allegations and not provide the response. As you said, if people want to read more then they can go to the sources. You're not applying it to the allegations, and one resolution I mentioned was to remove the detailed list of complaints. Cuñado ☼ - Talk 21:59, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You say "it is not appropriate to detail the allegations and not provide the response". I say, simply, you are wrong. This isn't a court of law, Baldoni isn't automatically deserving of a right of reply. Lively filed a complaint which has been reported on extensively, we can detail these allegations in appropriately neutral Wikivoice. We can also say Baldoni denies the allegations, this is appropriately netural Wikivoice as well. But especially when one of the allegations is "Baldoni operated a smear campaign", then including his response of "Continuing to smear Lively by making outrageous claims" is not a balanced response and is no longer neutral in Wikivoice.

Another 'solution' would be to simply list the allegations and not even mention that he has denied them - because he would deny them, wouldn't he? I suggest you read the paired essays, WP:MANDY and WP:NOTMANDY if you haven't already.

I close by again stressing that an encyclopedia is not the same as a newspaper, or a court of law. There is no obligation to give right of reply, or a false balance. WP:BLP applies, as does WP:NPOV. Those two policies make it clear we should not be repeating smears uncontested in Wikivoice. 2A02:C7C:CC80:8200:D0A5:C7F1:FA61:31A7 (talk) 23:36, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

As you said, if people want to read more then they can go to the sources. You are clearly biased, and if you want to be taken seriously, make an account. Cuñado ☼ - Talk 17:27, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]