Talk:Jim Shockey

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The “HAND OF MAN” Museum

An avid and active collector of Tribal and Ethnocentric Folk Artforms, Shockey has created and curated the 17,000-square-foot,"HAND OF MAN" Museum of Natural History, Cultural Arts and Conservation to house his extensive and varied collections. More than 26,000 visitors attended the museum in 2022. His collections have appeared several times in publications such as Country Living magazine, Western Living magazine and Century Home magazine. Forsblot (talk) 22:35, 2 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

This edit request by an editor with a conflict of interest has now been answered.

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The “HAND OF MAN” Museum

An avid and active collector of Tribal and Ethnocentric Folk Artforms, Shockey has created and curated the 17,000-square-foot,"HAND OF MAN" Museum of Natural History, Cultural Arts and Conservation to house his extensive and varied collections. More than 26,000 visitors visited the museum in 2022. His collections have appeared several times in publications such as Country Living magazine, Western Living magazine and Century Home magazine.

Reason for the change: We wanted to add this very important information as it pertains to Jim Shockey and what he has been doing the last few years.
References supporting change: www.handofman.org

Forsblot (talk) 17:37, 3 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Can you provide an independent reliable source for this information besides the Hand of Man website that we can use as a reference? Additionally, the proposed text seems very promotional in nature ("avid and active", "extensive and varied", "featured in Country Living magazine, Western Living magazine and Century Home magazine"), and would encourage that language to be toned down and be more descriptive about what the museum specifically contains. Example: "In [year], Shockey founded the [museum name] which features collections of [X, Y and Z]." I am marking this request as addressed; to re-open it, remove the "|A" in the {{request edit}} template above. Spencer^T•C 05:20, 4 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

How is this for wording:

The “HAND OF MAN” Museum

An avid and active collector of Tribal and Ethnocentric Folk Artforms, Shockey has created and curated the 17,000-square-foot, "HAND OF MAN" Museum of Natural History, Cultural Arts and Conservation to house his extensive and varied collections. In 2022, over 26,000 visitors visited Hand of Man. His collections have appeared in publications such as Country Living magazine, Western Living magazine and Century Home magazine.

Family

Shockey is married to Louise Shockey in 1984 and the couple has two children. Branlin (writer/producer) and Eva Shockey (lifestyle influencer) and four grandchildren. They live on a 70-acre lakeshore farm in the Cowichan Valley on Vancouver Island. Shockey divides his time between their farm home on Vancouver Island, their 2200-acre ranch in Saskatchewan, and their 7.5 million acre "Rogue River" Outfitting Territory located in the Canada's Yukon Territory.

After traveling up to 306 days a year around, for the last 40 years, Shockey now enjoys sitting at his computer (wherever he happens to be) and writing novels. His first CALL ME HUNTER will be released by Simon and Shuster in October of 2023, with a projected first run of 100,000-125,000 copies. Forsblot (talk) 21:45, 9 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

None of this wording is appropriate, I'm sorry. Neither is much of the underlying content, including the reference to his avidity, that he enjoys sitting at the computer, or the announcement about his coming book. You've written a bio for his website, a self-presentation of the man, a press release, not text for a neutral encyclopedia article written from a disinterested point of view. And this is after Spencer cautioned you, above, about this a few days ago, and after I made the same observations to you on your own talk page last month.

For the objective material that may be suitable for the article, such as the existence of the museum, the size of its collection, and the number of visitors, you've supplied no independent reliable sources from which to verify its accuracy or whether this is significant information. Largoplazo (talk) 22:29, 9 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, do we have the right to have some of the information about Jim Shockey removed? Our organization did not provide this information, and for the most part are Ok with it, but can we have some sections removed? Forsblot (talk) 23:13, 20 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]