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Nickname

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Her Nickname is Jessie. She uses this name on her official Twitter account and her Instagram. Per Wikipedia instructions, I'm adding her nickname in double quotations. Instructions can be found here under the nicknames section. Where it says if the nickname is commonly used in place of or in conjunction with the legal name then it should be in double quotations. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Biography

This Wikipedia page would not be complete if a commonly used nickname was omitted from it. Princeofearth (talk) 23:48, 31 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Assuming you are talking about the very first sentence in the article: Jessica Pegula (born February 24, 1994) is an American professional tennis player - MOS:HYPOCORISM says If a person has a common English-language hypocorism (diminutive or abbreviation) used in lieu of a given name, it is not presented between quotation marks or parentheses into or after their name. Jessie, a short for of Jessica, is a hypocorism so on that basis it should not be added in quotation marks. Thereafter, per MOS:SURNAME, she should simply be referred to as Pegula. Dorsetonian (talk) 11:00, 1 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Dorsetonian Jess would be a proper abbreviation for Jessica and I know several people named Jessica that are called Jess for short. Jessie is not an abbreviation in my opinion of Jessica because it totally changes the name and adds an e at the end. It should be treated as a nickname and according to Wikipedia MOS:NICKNAME a commonly used nickname should appear in double quotations. This is what the Wikipedia page says about nicknames. If a person is known by a nickname used in lieu of or in addition to a given name, and it is not a common hypocorism[d] of one of their names, or a professional alias, it is usually presented between double quotation marks following the last given name or initial; the quotation marks are not put in lead-section boldface. Example:

Bunny Berigan has: Roland Bernard "Bunny" Berigan. A nickname can eventually become a professional alias, even the most common name for a person. Such a case loses the quotation marks, other than in the subject's lead section if introducing the nickname in mid-name. If the monicker is dominant (in general or in a particular context) it can often be used in other articles without further elaboration. Example:

Earvin "Magic" Johnson Jr. (born August 14, 1959) is ...

You seem to have a different point of view about the name so why can't my point of view be included on the Wikipedia page for this person instead of removing my edit and reverting it? I read on Wikipedia that an edit should not be removed just because another editor has a different point of view about it with an exception being vandalism and my edits certainly do not fit the profile of Vandelism. I am trying to make constructive edits and add vital content to Wikipedia. If you look at the Wikipedia page for CoCo Vandeweghe when the biography starts off it has her full legal name and CoCo which is a nickname is in double quotations yet when I put nicknames in double quotations my edits get removed and reverted. Right now the Wikipedia page for Jessica Pegula does not mention anywhere that she uses her nickname Jessie. She uses her nickname Jessie instead of her given name on her official Twitter page here https://twitter.com/jlpegula and her official Instagram page here https://www.instagram.com/jpegula/ . The Buffalo News, A media outlet where she is from even has an article addressing her as Jessie Pegula. The article is here. https://buffalonews.com/2019/08/26/jessica-pegula-us-open-tennis/

To omit the name Jessie from her Wikipedia page is to omit vital and important information. It is the version of her name that she prefers to use it should at least be mentioned on her Wikipedia page and not left out of it. Princeofearth (talk) 23:33, 2 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

A fault in your argument is that Jessie is a diminutive of Jessica - it is even explicitly included as a example at hypocorism. You requoted MOS:NICKNAME and that explicitly states that hypocorisms are excluded from the lead sentence. The guidance seems quite clear to me. This is an encyclopaedic biography of a professional sportsperson and, apart from your example of a possibly over-familiar local news reporter, in a professional capacity she appears to be known exclusively as Jessica. In the context of the opening sentence - the part you have been edit warring over - Jessica appears to me to be the correct name, and Jessie does not. Dorsetonian (talk) 07:15, 3 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Whether you agree or disagree with my own opinion that Jessie is more of a nickname and Jess would be an abbreviation of Jessica more so than Jessie would be. The fact remains that She prefers the name Jessie over Jessica on her official Twitter and Instagram pages and other sources such as media outlets use the name Jessie instead of Jessica and it's more commonly used so that's why I have nominated the page move to Jessie Pegula, the commonly used version of her name. Same as Catherine McNally goes by Caty McNally, Cori Gauff goes by Coco Gauff, Colleen Vandeweghe goes by CoCo Vandeweghe, CiCi Bellis and the list goes on. Princeofearth (talk) 23:47, 3 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Business owned.

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In 2018, Jessie introduced her own Skincare line called Ready 24. I'm adding this important info to this Wikipedia page. Info about her Skincare line can be found here. https://mobile.twitter.com/ready24 Princeofearth (talk) 23:54, 31 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Do you have a reference for this in a reliable independent source? You will need something more that the subject's own twitter postings to show that this is "important". Dorsetonian (talk) 11:02, 1 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 3 September 2019

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The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) Calidum 00:29, 11 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]


Jessica Pegula → Jessie Pegula – Pegula's WP:COMMONNAME is Jessie.

  • Her Official Twitter page here uses Jessie Pegula and not her birth name Jessica. This is the version of her name that she prefers to use instead of her birth name on her social networking sites and in public.

and referred to her as Jessie Pegula on the headline.

  • WKBW TV in Buffalo posted this YouTube link here about her Citi Open win and referred to her as Jessie Pegula.
  • An article here about her restaurant business called The Healthy Scratch refers to her as Jessie.

When you watch her tennis matches on TV, the commentators refer to her as Jessie. Numerous other places refers to her as Jessie, however I think I have listed enough sources as sufficient evidence. We already list other players by their nicknames even though their official names are different on the WTA and ITF websites, including CiCi Bellis (officially listed as Catherine Bellis) and Caty McNally (officially listed as Catherine McNally). Jessie should be no different from CiCi or Caty. Princeofearth (talk) 15:30, 3 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support as nominator. Let it be noted that users Fyunck(click) and Dorsetonian have opposed every single constructive edit that I have made on Wikipedia and it seems to be personal with these 2 users. When I made an edit to Cori Gauff's Wikipedia page and added her Nickname Coco, user Fyunck(click) reverted my edit and the same user reverted my edit when I added Jessica Pegula's commonly used nickname Jessie to this Wikipedia page. Even though as I mentioned above the name Jessie Pegula is used on her official Twitter and Instagram pages and several other sources as I mentioned above. Contrary to what user Fyunck(click) said above, I did link to her Official Twitter account. There is currently a discussion on Cori Gauff's Wikipedia talk page about whether to move her page to her nickname Coco Gauff. If you accept Dorsetonian's argument above then WTA uses her legal name Cori Gauff on her WTA page here and does not go by Coco. In addition Cori Gauff is used here on ESPN and not the name Coco. And Tennis World USA uses her legal name Cori instead of Coco. So, if you accept the argument of Dorsetonian and Fyunck(click) then the Wikipedia page of Cori Gauff should not be moved to Coco Gauff. I reject their argument and I think that Cori Gauff's page should be moved to Coco Gauff and Jessica Pegula to Jessie Pegula, her commonly used name. Since users @Sportsfan77777 and @US Referee and @Ghmyrtle Supports moving the Wikipedia page of Cori Gauff to Coco Gauff then I would like to get their opinions on moving the Jessica Pegula page to Jessie Pegula since it's based off the same criteria. Princeofearth (talk) 23:37, 3 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    A couple things here. You lied and did not link to her twitter account. You subsequently changed it to her account after I posted. Goodness. Another thing you failed to mention is I supported the move to Coco Gauff. I guess that just slipped your mind. What you can't seem to comprehend with Gauff or Pegula is that the way Wikipedia handles sentence structure is completely different depending upon the article title. We have tried and it doesn't seem to sink in. Gauff had just been confirmed a few weeks before to stay at Cori. Based on that title you are wrong on the sentence structure. It was pointed out that if it ever moved to Coco the sentence structure would change. Now it is likely to move to Coco since a new move request is ongoing. But that has nothing to do with this move request to a shortened form of Jessica when "Jessica" is used by most sources. Fyunck(click) (talk) 00:21, 4 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I did link to her Official Twitter account and it clearly says Jessie Pegula and not Jessica. Though someone tried to edit my link so it would point to a different person and I had to go back in and fix it. Fyunck(click) simply opposes this move because I am the nominator. If I had been the nominator for the requested Cori Gauff move then Fyunck(click) would be opposing that move also I would conclude. I don't know what this user's issue is with me but they are making it personal. As I stated already even if you believe that Jessie is an abbreviation of her name and not her nickname then the Wikipedia pages of CiCi Bellis and Caty McNally are titled by their abbreviated names, Caty short for Catherine and CiCi and apparent abbreviation of Catherine Cartan together. As would be the case with Jessie Pegula. I have found that Jessie is the version of her name that's more commonly used and especially by sources that should matter the most and carry the most weight, Her official Twitter and Instagram pages that are both verified with a check mark and this is the name she prefers to be called. Princeofearth (talk) 02:13, 4 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

If you follow wikipedia rules, then all is well. If you abuse the system (as you have now done multiple times) with multiple editors, then yes.... we have a big problem. Fyunck(click) (talk) 02:19, 4 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Multiple editors? There's only 2 editors that have had a problem with me and seems to have made it personal with repeated attempts to disparage me and anyone can read the comments and figure out who the 2 users are or maybe they are one user with two usernames for all I know. Either case, Wikipedia should have rules in place to forbid personal attacks. Princeofearth (talk) 03:11, 4 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Moving on from this slop. Fyunck(click) (talk) 04:03, 4 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

When sources are inconsistent with one going this way and one going the other way then I would think it's logical to look at what name this person calls herself on her own social networking sites, Twitter and Instagram and her own business ventures, The Healthy Scratch and Ready 24 and that name is Jessie. Princeofearth (talk) 12:27, 4 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I have some sympathy for this view, but I don't think you've justified sources are inconsistent. The relevant sources are reliable secondary sources. Yes, if these are inconsistent then consider primary sources such as Twitter. But that is far from clear above. Almost nothing is, as you've modified your comments after they had received replies. Andrewa (talk) 18:20, 10 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

No information on her playing tennis as a child

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It would be good to at least have some minimal information on this in the article.Lena Key (talk) 09:31, 24 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Pronunciation

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I included the pronunciation for Pegula’s name (as given by herself in her WTA profile) per MOS:LEADPRON. A user decided it had to be removed, against the established guidelines. @Fyunck(click): can you bring a valid argument for not including a transcription, since Pegula is not a common English-language name and its spelling might lead to tentative mispronunciations, as I have explained to you in my edit summary? ~ IvanScrooge98 (talk) 20:34, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If it was not the apparent pronunciation we would include an extensive guide, but Pegula is a no-brainer. We only add a guide if it is "not apparent from its spelling" per MOS. Discuss and convince everyone that it is in need of a language guide. We don't use it for "Connors" or "Ostapenko" either. They could be weird pronunciations but they aren't.... and neither is Pegula. We do it for odd names. Fyunck(click) (talk) 20:38, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Pegula might be a no-brainer for you. As I said, it could be interpreted as /ˈpɛɡjʊlə/, /pəˈɡjuːlə/, /ˈpɛɡələ/ etc. It is odd enough in English. And other articles not having IPA is not a good reason to remove it elsewhere anyway. ~ IvanScrooge98 (talk) 20:42, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There are bazillions of names at wikipedia that "could be" interpreted differently. And if they are an unusual pronunciation from what would be expected, we would of course add it. This one isn't different than what would be expected. Adding an IPA guide shouldn't be the norm. Fyunck(click) (talk) 20:52, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Adding an IPA guide for names that are not English is pretty useful even if you don’t want it to be the norm. The fact that /pəˈɡuːlə/ is for you the only obvious pronunciation for that spelling doesn’t mean it has to be for “bazillions” of readers of Wikipedia. And Wikipedia is not made for its users, it’s made for its readers. ~ IvanScrooge98 (talk) 20:55, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It's been English for generations. We don't do it for her father Terry Pegula who is far more well known. I always write it for readers, but I also make sure trivial stuff goes far down the line, not the lead. Fyunck(click) (talk) 20:58, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
A name’s pronunciation is not trivia. It’s literally the basis to talk about a person. And if one opens the article because they don’t know the subject (which is what Wikipedia readers do and what I often do myself), they might want to be able to read properly without having to look stuff up elsewhere. Again, the fact that you don’t find IPA useful is not a valid argument to delete it. ~ IvanScrooge98 (talk) 21:01, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I didn't say that.... you did. I don't think it is remotely warranted in this case. Per MOS We add guides if "it is "not apparent from its spelling." You obviously feel differently. That's fine but I'm not convinced. Fyunck(click) (talk) 22:28, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Wikipedia is not based on my feelings or your conviction. It’s based on information for readers. You don’t just remove it because you can personally do without. If you can, simply ignore it. Thank you. ~ IvanScrooge98 (talk) 22:37, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That's not the way Wikipedia works. It's based on consensus and sourcing. You don't have consensus and sourcing is your own implementation of what you hear. Fyunck(click) (talk) 22:41, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
So now you’re trying to find a different argument to twist it around. /pəˈɡuːlə/ is not “what I hear”. The audio is very clear. Is the spelling also clear with regard to pronunciation? No. That’s all. ~ IvanScrooge98 (talk) 22:46, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Well, hearing is a big thing. Look At Swiatek. Some hear three syllables and some hear two. So putting in a guide, unless there is a published guide, would be original research for her. I have no idea your hearing abilities but it matters zip per Wikipedia protocol. Fyunck(click) (talk) 23:15, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Swiatek is Polish and has a Polish name; Polish has a very straightforward spelling and pronunciation can usually be deduced simply from the spelling; the English rendering of Swiatek, if that is what you are referring to, is secondary given the subject’s native tongue. The case of Pegula is totally different. ~ IvanScrooge98 (talk) 23:23, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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