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History Section Biased?

The History section seems to be focused on New Zealand and American acts, many of whom are very obscure. Perhaps this section needs to be re-written to include both acts from equally influential countries (UK, Canada, etc.) and more mainstream acts? Michaeljm1964 (talk) 14:41, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

These were the only areas were there was a real use of the term "jangle-pop" was as a genre. for a specific set of bands.

This page was overgrown with entries by people who confused the term "jangle-pop" as a specific genre (i.e. about half a dozen or so US/Georgia based, REM adjacent bands, and a few New Zealand bands) with "jangly" as a description of any band playing guitars without distortion, including just about every band from the early 60s, usually using shitty content farm sources like Paste or About.com

There is no pre 80s history to Jangle-Pop other than "REM and some other band were really influenced by 60s folk-rock and 70s power pop." Verlaine76 (talk) 11:55, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Removal of irrelevant and blacklisted soures.

After just doing a small update I was informed that about.com has been blacklisted as a source by wikipedia and so have removed those references from the article. This means some extremely vague and tendentious claims left over from previous edit wars are now unsupported including the rather meaningless statement in the infobox statement that the genre had its "cultural origins" in the 1950s/60s.

If no proper authoritative sources (i.e. ones that give proper context to these claims, not just clickbait listicles or passing mentions in gig/album reviews) they should be removed too. Verlaine76 (talk) 13:08, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Origin of the term.

The origin of the term "jangle pop" is not supported by any online evidence. The Denise Sullivan article referenced appears to have been removed from the Wayback Machine and I can't find another copy of it online. All other sources making this claim seem to be non-authoritative.

As it is, the claim was always tendentious, presented as just a known fact without any actual research or evidence. It seems it should be taken out unless someone can find a decent original source tracing the origins of the term. Verlaine76 (talk) 15:31, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah. I even went back to early 2011 in the page history to see if that link had been modified along the way. Unfortunately, I'm working on adding/expanding a set of almost 90 articles, so I don't have the inclination to spend time on this. There is no deadline, and the citation for that paragraph is marked as dead. Assuming good faith, we can hope that the cited source did support the content, while acknowledging that we need to find an accessible reliable source that does support it. Donald Albury 17:05, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I've searched around and cannot find anything authoritative. Almost all sites that make the claim are content farms or low quality sources informal, and none of them offer any evidence, they simply state this "origin" as an accepted fact. Verlaine76 (talk) 09:12, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I did search a little for 'Denise Sullivan jangle pop', but found nothing useful. While I'm willing to wait a while to see if anyone else knows of a reliable source, I won't object if the statement is removed as 'unsourced'. It can always be restored if someone does provide a reliable source. Donald Albury 17:44, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Even if the statement can be verified, its probably confused, the point should be that the movement was influenced by the Byrds who only really took off after their Dylan cover, which really was revolutionary, but really pi%^ed off a lot of Dylan fans (pop!) but maybe lead to him going electric so he wouldn't be outflanked. As a side point, I think the article should use Big Star as the starting point of the revival, and emphasise more the early Bangles key role. Ceoil (talk) 06:24, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

IOW, have removed the claim, as think the words Jingle and Jangle in the Dylan song is coincidence, and even if the source can be found, its bullshit. Ceoil (talk) 08:49, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]