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Proposed Oriental Orthodoxy project

There is now a new proposed project at Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Proposals#Oriental Orthodoxy for a group which would focus on articles relating to the Oriental Orthodox Church. Any individuals interested in working with such a group should indicate as much there, to allow us to know if there is enough support to actually begin such a project. Thank you. Badbilltucker 14:30, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Requested move of interest

In case anyone here wants to weigh in, Eastern Rite Catholic Churches → Eastern Catholic Churches: See Talk:Eastern Rite Catholic Churches. Fishhead64 07:23, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

Church or Parish?

I was trying to do some copyedits to the above article and found this odd sentence The Church has dioceses and churches in most parts of India as well as in the USA, Canada, United Kingdom, Western Europe, and the Persian Gulf nations. A Church can't have churches!

Of course a Church can have churches ! The Roman Catholic Church has churches all over the world. The Church of England has churches all over England. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, and the Seventh Day Adventist Church, both have churches in many countries. The paradox arises because "church" has two different meanings --- a Christian organisation, OR a building used for Christian services. See foe example the Concise Oxford Dictionary : church 1. a building used for public Christian worship. 2. a particular Christian orgaisation with its own distinctive doctrines. (Also 3, which means basically the whole Christian religion taken together) 

I think the editor means parishes. Do Jacobites call them parish? I have inserted hidden text with that question there and if it is fixed can the editor please remove the inserted text. Cheers Wiki San Roze †αLҝ 09:27, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
Agree. Removed.Student7 (talk) 11:52, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Dioceses and bishops

I think dioceses and bishops should be associated together in some less demonstrative way. Supposed to be about church, not people, so list diocese first with their associated bishop(s). Student7 (talk) 11:52, 5 May 2008 (UTC) The dioceses are listed above the list of the bishops, aren't they? ܠܝܛܘ Liju ലിജു לג"ו (talk) 11:42, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

Articles on Common History

There are Six articles which claim common history of Saint Thomas Christians out of this 4 have almost similar contents about the same period. To avoid repetitive articles and to improve the quality of the article, share about WP:RELY sources and re organization of these articles.

Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Indian Christianity#About the articles on Saint Thomas Christians common history Pamparam (talk) 03:11, 23 August 2009 (UTC)


Bishops of the Church

This section is horribly mismanaged, with all caps, misspellings and errors. 122.166.154.248 (talk) 09:35, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

Mis-edited originally. Suggestion: try to correct one or two when you are looking at the article. With a couple of us doing this, it won't take too long. Of course, no one wants to read such a list now. All sorts of editors in the world!  :) Student7 (talk) 19:12, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

Deposed Patriarch??

It is common understanding that desposition was not the crux of the issue... The issues started from the late 19th century itself. Concluding that a consecration of a bishop led to all trouble is nothing but terrible wrong history. Whoever has done so, is creating blocks for unity. Credit Risk (talk) 03:20, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

Who founded the Church?

The Jacobite Syrian Christian Church website gives the following information.

[1] THE FOUNDING OF CHURCH

Who established the church in India? People belonging to every Christian denomination of Kerala, in one voice would answer St. Thomas. Syrian Orthodox Church also believes so, St.Thomas reached Kodungallur by ship in AD 52. The widely accepted tradition is that St. Thomas visited various places and baptized many Jews and Hindus and thus began the process of establishing the Church. Middle east countries and Kerala had trade relations during the early centuries. So it may not have been difficult for St. Thomas to reach the coasts of Kerala.

[2] CHURCH IN INDIA

St. Thomas, one of the twelve apostles of Jesus Christ, is the founder of the ancient Church in India. Christian writers and historians from the 4th century refer to the evangelistic work of Apostle Thomas in India, and the Indian Christians ascribe the origin of their Church to the labors of the apostle in the 1st century.117.202.114.86 (talk) 19:36, 12 February 2013 (UTC)

Why are they called Jacobites?

The article doesn't seem to spell out why this religious groups are called Jacobites. A brief history would be usefull. Cheers Wiki San Roze †αLҝ 13:22, 24 February 2008 (UTC)


I am a jacobite and the history as told to me by fathers/priests in our parishes is that during the time long ago when christianity was at its nacent stage, christian were very much persecuted for being christians and at that time Bishop Jacob (presumably Jacob Bardaeus) was jailed and pretty much all christian priests were killed. Since the rite of becoming a priest in line of St. Peter continues only by putting ones hand on the one who is to be consecrteated as a priest and no other person could simply declare anyone priest, christianity was at the grave danger of being finished. but during his time in jail when ever people come to visit this bishop he would simply put his hand on the head of his faithfull visitor and consecreate him as priest so that the christian faith would continue in his subject. such was his devotion to christianity.

When did we came to be called as jacobites thats a confusion it was either since long ago, or after the koonan cross oath event or after some judicial order resulting the split of saint thomas christians. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.238.8.105 (talk) 16:54, 19 March 2014 (UTC)

Requested move 13 July 2016

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: page moved. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 04:30, 14 July 2016 (UTC)

Malankara Jacobite Syrian Orthodox church → Malankara Jacobite Syrian Orthodox Church – There was a series of moves here without any discussion or explanation. As such, I'm going to request that this be returned to the page move done as an allegedly uncontroversial move. That makes a lot more sense that User:Roshyf2's odd page move to some JSCC naming allegedly based on church records and then second move a minute later without any explanation. There's incoming links to maybe a half dozen different names here so that does not help matters. Ricky81682 (talk) 06:50, 13 July 2016 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

Need Reference for "also known as Malankara Syriac Orthodox Church"

Need a reference for this church also known as Malankara Syriac Orthodox Church . Any churches in Kerala, known by this name? ---45.125.147.173 (talk) 12:18, 16 July 2016 (UTC)

It is there in the article. Phantom (talk) 20:15, 16 July 2016 (UTC)

Yes, now a reference has been added there. Probably it is the only place that name is used. Not seen any other article or church websites referring Jacobite Church as "Malankara Syriac Orthodox Church". Since this is not a serious point, no more comments on this from my end. ---45.126.206.243 (talk) 06:21, 17 July 2016 (UTC)

Sorry, the reference has been added by an administrator before and he himself suggested the title name Malankara Jacobite Syrian Orthodox church. I just second his view.ThanksPhantom (talk) 12:03, 17 July 2016 (UTC)

erroneously referred to as Jacobites?

First line of current version of this article is that The Malankara Jacobite Syrian Orthodox Church aka Malankara Syriac Orthodox Church commonly and erroneously referred to as Jacobites. This is a contradictory statement as the official name of this church is "Jacobite Syrian Christian Church" - --45.125.147.173 (talk) 12:10, 16 July 2016 (UTC)

If use common sense , we could understand that the church preferred to use the derogatory erroneous name Jacobite as it's official name because it is popular and easily recognizable. Hence it is stated commonly/popularly and erroneously called as Jacobites. The usage of Jacobite for this church is an error, how ever even though it is an error they use it because it is popular. Phantom (talk) 20:23, 16 July 2016 (UTC)

Yes, very "special" common sense needed to understand this !! -> Church preferred to use the derogatory erroneous name Jacobite as it's official name because it is popular and easily recognizable. Let it be like that. I just pointed out here in talk page. I don't want to comment further on this. ---45.126.206.243 (talk) 06:07, 17 July 2016 (UTC)

Dear friend, I just explained it why?. If you go and check the history of edit, you can see that somebody did it(not me). Also I welcome the removal of this unwanted part by the Administrator.ThanksPhantom (talk) 17:09, 17 July 2016 (UTC)

Dear Kokkarani, Please patiently read my comments above. I never said, that was your edit. I "said" the first line of current version is like 'this' and it looks a contradictory statement. But you were advising me to use my common sense to interpret that !! But the administrator understood what I am saying and he took off that statement from preface. Thanks all - 59.95.67.190 (talk) 03:16, 18 July 2016 (UTC)

Malankara Jacobite Syrian Christian Church

This should be the name, not Jacobite Syrian.... Credit Risk (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 11:05, 20 October 2010 (UTC).

note that his sermon at mass was in English. Not clear on whether the chantings were Aramaic. 67.161.249.235 (talk) 07:14, 9 February 2013 (UTC)

I also support, Malankara to be included in the church name.Mandrake_the_Magician (talk) 21:35, 19 July 2016 (UTC)

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