Talk:Islamic University of Gaza

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Support of Terrorism

Parts of this section are claimed to be based on Chicago Tribune report while they are not. If possible, this section need to be revised according to the references (mainly the Chicago Tribune report and the USAID audit report). In reference 3, it's stated that the report found no no "derogatory information" on the Islamic University in Gaza between 2002 and 2006 -- even after Hamas claimed a parliamentary majority in Palestinian elections in 2006. That is, the report found no evidence that the IUG supports terrorism.

Fatah confiscation of Hamas weapons cache in 2007

During fighting between Hamas and Fatah, the dominating party in the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO), in February 2007, Fatah militia stormed the university and confiscated weapons and ammunition that were claimed to be stored in the University. Palestinian television aired footage showing dozens of rocket-propelled grenade launchers, rockets, and assault rifles, as well as thousands of bullets. PA President Mahmoud Abbas's officials claimed that the weaponry had been found inside the university though no evidence has been presented.

Attention is needed for this section. Particularly, the following questions are raised on the value of the contents in the context of the overall article:

• There is not evidence, even in the cited material, that these weapons are really found in the University. In particular, such claims were so frequent at the time and both parties claimed to find weapons at each others institutions.

• Also, contributors need to be aware of that Fatah is only one party in the PLO which has many other parties within it. The conflict that happened in Gaza after Hamas's domination of the Palestinian Legislative Council was particularly between Hamas and Fatah only.

Therefore, further attention is needed for this part.

I've replaced the section, with three sources (two of which were in the original section, and one quoted elsewhere in the article). The section clearly states the position of Fatah in the Palestinian government, and that the claims were made by Fatah/PLO. Gidyn (talk) 07:26, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

I've removed the weasel words from this paragraph. If there is any counter-evidence, or if the University are seriously denying it, please add this to the section. If "such claims were so frequent at the time" that the credibility of the story should be doubted, please state so explicitly, with a credible source.Gidyn (talk) 07:45, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

Weapons production

Well-documented material about weapons production in the university's science labs has been repeatedly excised from this absurdly sanitized article.Historicist (talk) 20:23, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Deletion of Sourced Material

Please note that deletion of sourced material, without good cause, is Vandalism. If you do not like something, please edit it constructively, but do not blank sections simply because they do not take your fancy. Gidyn (talk)

Bias

I think there is an element of bias on this article. Namely:

• Claims that the university was founded by Sheikh Yassin, also founder of Hamas, can be misleading as implying Sheikh Yassin single handedly founded either IUG or Hamas, and thus a stronger connection between the two. It also ignores the university's own portrayal of its founding.
• Claims that the university acts as a training cenre for Hamas' leadership can imply affiliation of the university with Hamas, or that it is in a way an official training base. Given that controversy exists in this issue, and Palestinians have denied accusation of any link, the opposite claims should be given, and it should be specified that accusations are only being claimed.
• Information on the 2008 war and the bombing of the university ignores the findings of the UN Fact Finding mission on the incident, and while mentioning the call by the university for international academic support, it does not mention the response it received to this call.

I have made some changes, and also included extra independent analysis by Sara Roy on the link between Hamas and educational and social institutions in Gaza. Other smaller changes - Gaza war to 2008 Gaza war (as there have been previous wars as well), sections on donor institutions and academic partnerships, and more details on the claims made by Palestinians regarding the damage done to the university in the 2008 attacks. Mcbs19 (talk) 14:58, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

In fact, the level of bias in this article is even worse. The claim that Sheikh Ahmed Yassin founded the IUG is utterly false. This point, among others was taken from the article in the chronicle.com which seems to be a presentation of the Israeli claims rather than independent information given be chronicle itself. I would remove some of the unfounded claims unless an independent reference is given.--188.161.198.185 (talk) 20:22, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

The Chronicle of Higher Education has more credibility than an anonymous IP, which is the only source disputing this allegagation Gidyn (talk) 07:26, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

The disputed points are not given by the The Chronicle of Higher Education itself, they are claims given by an israeli spokesman and mentioned within the CHE article. If Ahmed Yassin founded the IUG you will find thousand resources confirming that. But clearly there are no resources but unfounded israeli claims spread to justify attacking the Palestinian educational institutes.--188.161.252.11 (talk) 08:35, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

Although the Chronicle quotes some statements from an Israeli spokesperson, this is not amongst them. There is no reason to dismiss the Chronicle's statement simply because there aren't "thousand resources confirming that", and certainly no excuse for deleting sourced material (i.e. vandalism).

If you wish to add information, please do so, with sources. Gidyn (talk) 07:27, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

Section Blanking

User 139.19.40.77 is repeatedly blanking out large swathes of sourced material. If you have reason to believe that these sections should not be present, please present your reasoning here. Do not delete others' work simply because you do not like it. Gidyn (talk) 06:55, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

Link

Please, the link Usul AL-Din should be fixed as Usul al-Din. Thanks--188.152.134.61 (talk) 07:18, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

removing POV template without ongoing discussion per Template:POV instructions

I've removed an old neutrality tag from this page that appears to have no active discussion per the instructions at Template:POV:

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Since there's no evidence of ongoing discussion, I'm removing the tag for now. If discussion is continuing and I've failed to see it, however, please feel free to restore the template and continue to address the issues. Thanks to everybody working on this one! -- Khazar2 (talk) 18:37, 25 June 2013 (UTC)

photos section is outdated?

The section it is stated: "These photos were taken prior to the fighting beginning in 2007" If the buildings look different, why not just replace the pictures? (If they look the same, then that sentance is irrelavent.) I found a nice wideveiw shot of the campus on the universities website here http://www.iugaza.edu.ps/%D8%B9%D9%86-%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%AC%D8%A7%D9%85%D8%B9%D8%A9/%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%A3%D8%AE%D8%A8%D8%A7%D8%B1/%D8%AA%D9%81%D8%A7%D8%B5%D9%8A%D9%84-%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%85%D9%88%D8%B6%D9%88%D8%B9/id/23133 (It seems to include the building in the last photo (Main conference hall). And some additional pictures on this page: http://www.iugaza.edu.ps/%D8%B9%D9%86-%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%AC%D8%A7%D9%85%D8%B9%D8%A9/%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%AD%D9%8A%D8%A7%D8%A9-%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%AC%D8%A7%D9%85%D8%B9%D9%8A%D8%A9-/%D8%AC%D9%88%D9%84%D8%A7%D8%AA-%D8%A8%D8%A7%D9%86%D9%88%D8%B1%D8%A7%D9%85%D9%8A%D8%A9 (Some of the buildings seem to be unchanged) Yaakovaryeh (talk) 05:19, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

Problems in "Relationship with Hamas" section

Sigh. I usually stay out of this hornet's nest but this is a pretty clear one. The article is inappropriately divided. The lead makes no mention whatseover of alleged links to Hamas or terrorism while this particular section makes it sound like the University is Hamas' headquarters. Whatever happens in the lead, this section is in a bad state. Let me give some examples of its current problems:

• "The Islamic University has close links with Hamas."

• Very first sentence. No source provided, but rather it is followed by a number of claims that supposedly prove this. It certainly amounts to original research.

• "many Hamas members have taught within the university"

• Unsourced, unspecified. Non-info.

• "A 2007 article about USAID funding of organisations having links to terrorism cites American, Palestinian and Israeli evidence of connections between the university and Hamas."

• Strategically doesn't mention that it was an opinion piece by The Washington Institute for Near East Policy, a think tank accused of being very close to AIPAC (yes, I see the irony in this statement).

• "There are also clear contemporary links. For example, ..."

• Again, this is original research accompanying an assertion. Not appropraite on Wikipedia, especially not on such a controversial topic. "Clear" is furthermore unnecessary editorializing here.

• "the new and reshuffled ministers in the Gaza cabinet announced by Hamas in March 2011 hold faculty positions at the university."

• Source for this (now broken) is the Palestinian embassy and I can't find it anywhere else. Amounts to actual original research of a primary source if someone actually started comparing names.

Nevertheless, some Palestinian academics have denied that the university is in any respect a Hamas institution.

• Editorializing is again utilized here to make a point. There is no need for the combination "nevertheless", "some", "have denied" and "in any respect". There's no need for this sentence at all actually.

"Writing for the Middle East Children's Alliance, Palestinian Academics Marcy Newman and Akram Habeeb claim that"

• The first time the word "claim" is used in the section is for the opposing view. Goes right into WP:CLAIM. Marcy Newman isn't even Palestinian.

At least the second section is a bit better. I guess I'll tag it for now. Bataaf van Oranje (Prinsgezinde) (talk) 11:55, 28 September 2017 (UTC)

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Founded under Israeli military rule/currently in Hamas-ruled Gaza

While I realize that everybody gotta lay down their marker about Israel-Palestine, this article is about a university, not about Palestinian politics or the Israeli occupation. The articles on Harvard and Princeton don't highlight British colonial rule or the current governors of the relevant states in their first paragraphs. Neither should this one. PaulCHebert (talk) 02:02, 27 July 2018 (UTC)

Inappropriate editing

No reason was given for this obviously inappropriate edit. Which of course should be reverted. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Islamic_University_of_Gaza&diff=1184860269&oldid=1184848920 2603:7000:2101:AA00:75E7:88D4:BE1C:6EBE (talk) 04:53, 13 November 2023 (UTC)

As far as I can see there are references in the section titles. This is not the right place for them, so I suppose they should all be moved to the end of the paragraphs. Obviously someone should check that they indeed confirm what is written in the article. Alaexis_¿question? 09:27, 13 November 2023 (UTC)

Sufyan Tayeh

"He was appointed UNESCO chair for Physical and Astrophysical sciences in Palestine and was named on the "top 2% of scientists worldwide identified by Stanford University" list in 2021 ." Source hard to check - are there no other accessibale sources, e.g from UNESCO tehmsselves? 84.138.96.192 (talk) 18:47, 3 December 2023 (UTC)

References