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@GenoV84, Any reason for your reversion, irrelevance, undue, or unneeded changes? Please provide specific examples of the "unexplained removal" that you deemed erroneous on my part. To me, all I did was adhere to the lead's summary style and structure the content to focus on important points. Also, you removed my addition in the 'Employment' section which I deem very problematic. StarkReport (talk) 21:53, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

My bad, I just restored the Employment section. Everything else was just unnecessary and inaccurate, to say the least.... GenoV84 (talk) 22:23, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"Everything else was just unnecessary and inaccurate" Well, lets tackle it one by one, 1) The quote by Scheffler seems rather unintelligible and overly metaphorical for the average reader, which is why I provided a simplified explanation of his viewpoint inline for clarity.

2) Regarding the content, "Ran Naftali, a Jewish police officer in the UK, stated---," I am not confident that a random police officer qualifies as a reliable source for such a sensitive and exceptional claim. I think this can be easily removed. So far, so good.

3) Now, finally concerning the lead For the lead's second paragraph, I aimed to make it more concise, as it felt overly verbose for a lead section(MOS:LEAD). While you may argue that "nah its length was alright." I think that it can be actually be written even move concisely than I did. Now for the most important part, the lead's problematic(NPOV) third paragraph, I don't think it's necessary to highlight every controversy upfront, especially since this isn't a critique piece but rather a general article. That's why I condensed it. Other changes I made was minor rewording of "right-wing" to "far-right" since I think it is accurate to the source appended. I also removed few sources as it was getting to excessive on the lead, you also may very well argue that it was unneeded. StarkReport (talk) 22:54, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I can agree with points 1 and 2. Regarding point 3, you said it yourself. GenoV84 (talk) 23:58, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"you said it yourself" Oh, actually, I meant the "removed few sources as it was" part. I strongly believe the rest of the changes to the lead are essential, and they shouldn't be seen as controversial, since no significant modifications or deletions were made. Could you clarify any specific concerns or disagreements regarding the rest of the changes, especially for the third paragraph? StarkReport (talk) 00:21, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The third paragraph can be moved to the Society section, there's no problem with that. Everything else was totally unneeded and I don't see the rewording that you did to the lead section as a major improvement. GenoV84 (talk) 17:44, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]