Talk:Islam and domestic violence

Source does not support what is written

In the chapter "Incidence among Muslims" it sais at the very top: "Domestic violence is considered to be a problem in Muslim-majority cultures,[52] but because women conceal signs of abuse and don't report domestic abuse to authorities, the incidence in many Muslim-majority countries is uncertain, but believed to be great by Muslim feminists.[53]". The first sentence is supported by the source. The second sentence is not supported by the source (https://web.archive.org/web/20060112080841/http://web.amnesty.org/report2005/sau-summary-eng).

1. The source covers only Saudi-Arabia, so all statements about "many Muslim-majority countries" although they are probably true, are unsupported.
2. The source does not say anything about "Muslim feminists".
3. The source does not say anything about what those supposed feminists believe to be true. The source focuses on the case of Rania al-Baz und connected issues. The only part where supposed feminists might have been addressed is "Women activists, writers, journalists and lawyers called for legal and judicial changes to end such discrimination and combat the impunity enjoyed by perpetrators of violence against women.". This is by any means not what this Wikipedia article instanciated.
4. The source sais nothing about "concealing signs of abuse" and not "report[ing] domestic abuse".

Since the article is in a protected state, whoever has the right to edit it, please fix the part of the article as soon as possible. Add a supporting source and/or re-write it in a way that matches the source. Using the term "feminists", which is often used and/or understood in a pejorative way and even if not, implies a bias, is uncalled for, unscientific and misleading. Name who or what actually expressed their belief that the number of incidents is great. The issue is way too important to be this misleading. Readers who check sources or dislike "feminists" are driven to just go to the source, discover that it does not support the statement written in the Wikipedia article and dismiss it as unfactual, stop reading further and walk around high and mighty telling people that domestic abuse is a rare occurence in the realm of Islam. Well done, whoever wrote that introduction. Whoever is willing to help us all out by correcting the part, be assured of my deepest gratitude. --77.8.234.217 (talk) 10:16, 26 December 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for pointing this out. I've expanded the part based on the Washington Post piece a bit to provide more context, while removing the dated Amnesty International report specific only to Saudi Arabia, as this is not useful to cite in a general summary. Iskandar323 (talk) 12:44, 26 December 2021 (UTC)

WikiProject Crime banner reinstated

I am not sure why Akh of an akh (talk · contribs) removed the banner for WikiProject Crime, but I have reinstated it because this topic is definitely of interest to WikiProject Crime. In doing so, I realized that the WikiProject Crime was displaying a C-class rating because the B-class assessment questions had not been completed. When this is the case the rating defaults to C-class. Given the assessment of other projects I am going to answer the B-class assessment in the positive. If anybody wants to remove the WikiProject Crime banner in the future please provide a sound explanation for doing so in the edit summary or discuss its removal, first. - 09:14, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

I notice that Akh of an akh (talk · contribs) again removed the banner for WikiProject Crime though this time stating in the edit summary that This page has nothing related to "crime". This is a critical implication of that Islam promotes a "crime" By adding the WikiProject Crime banner, I am not implying that "Islam promotes "crime"" and I am sorry if the user has taken that implication from addition of the WikiProject Crime banner. Addition of the banner means the article is "of interest" to WikiProject Crime, because it falls within the project's scope. The overarching article about domestic violence is currently included in the scope of WikiProject Crime, so it is inconsistent to say that "This page has nothing related to "crime"." when the article title includes the words domestic violence. How Islam views and deals with domestic violence and whether or not it considers the concept of domestic violence to be criminal, considering the laws of many nations where Islam is practiced do consider domestic violence to be a crime, is a topic that is of interest to readers of Wikipedia. The summary of the article notes that the way Islamic jurisprudence interprets the subject varies and there are often difficulties having abuse recognized by police or the judicial system. In my view, the article is discussing a criminal related topic merely by mentioning the police and judicial system. If one reads deeper, one find that the article discusses a husband's liability for the death of his wife, as well a initiatives in different countries to move domestic violence cases away from religious courts to penal code driven courts. The later part of the article also talks about various laws in Muslim-majority countries where rape or murder of one's wife are now subject to criminal penalties. Given this sort of content, I would content that this article is a crime related topic, so it remains of interest to WikiProject Crime. So I think the banner should be reinstated. However, before I do that, I would welcome others opinions. - Cameron Dewe (talk) 10:44, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 30 October 2023

1: in the part of the article that says "Ibn Kathir(1300-1373AD) and Muhammad ibn Jarir al-Tabari(839-923AD)" needs spaces between names and dates, spaces before AD, and dashes should be en dashes. change to "Ibn Kathir (1300–1373 AD) and Muhammad ibn Jarir al-Tabari (839–923 AD)"

2: remove the 2 excess blank lines before the section header ===Undesirability of beating=== Fa93ja (talk) 05:45, 30 October 2023 (UTC)

Changes applied Barbardo (talk) 17:42, 30 October 2023 (UTC)