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Recent edits by a user have been subjective in nature. This is supported by comments left by user in editing summary and on contributors talk page. Contributors are not arbiters of what makes a critic and what is "bloggish." In comment summary, user said to not to post anything more about critical reception yet." It is not the duty of contributors to decide when critical reception should be listed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.87.69.204 (talk) 07:01, 6 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion of changes from stage version to film? Seems to cross line to plagiarism.

Read the Playbill article

http://www.playbill.com/news/article/sondheim-reveals-plot-changes-for-disney-into-the-woods-film-322631

From Playbill 'Another teacher asked if the song "Any Moment," which bookends the encounter between Cinderella's Prince and the Baker's Wife, had been cut. "The song is cut," Sondheim stated. Following outcry from the teachers, Sondheim added, "I'm sorry, I should say, it's probably cut." When pressed that he should have stuck up for the inclusion of the song, Sondheim said that he and Into the Woods' Tony Award-winning book writer James Lapine did so. "But Disney said, we don't want Rapunzel to die, so we replotted it. I won't tell you what happens, but we wrote a new song to cover it," he said.'

From Wikipedia 'Another teacher asked if the song "Any Moment", which bookends the encounter between Cinderella's Prince and the Baker's Wife, will remain. "The song is cut," Sondheim said. That revelation upset fans of the original stage show, prompting him to tell the attendees, "I'm sorry. I should say, it's probably cut." Sondheim told fans that he and James Lapine fought for the song's inclusion in the movie. "But Disney said, we don't want Rapunzel to die, so we re-plotted it," the composer explained. "I won't tell you what happens, but we wrote a new song to cover it."[22]'

Is it from EOnline? http://www.eonline.com/news/552578/disney-s-into-the-woods-features-major-plot-changes-stephen-sondheim-reveals-spoilers-ahead 'Another teacher asked if the song "Any Moment," which bookends the encounter between Cinderella's Prince and the Baker's Wife, will remain. "The song is cut," Sondheim said. That revelation upset fans of the original stage show, prompting him to tell the attendees, "I'm sorry. I should say, it's probably cut." Sondheim told fans that he and Into the Woods' Tony Award-winning book writer James Lapine fought for the song's inclusion in the movie. "But Disney said, we don't want Rapunzel to die, so we re-plotted it," the composer, 84, explained. "I won't tell you what happens, but we wrote a new song to cover it."'

Maybe EOnline plagiarized Playbill or vice versa (my guess is Playbill is the original, since it would hardly take two authors to plagiarize). In any case, this is clearly plagiarism. — Preceding unsigned comment added by RickDesper (talk • contribs) 23:47, 2 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Critical response

I cannot believe how positive the 'Critical Response' section of this article is.

I have never seen so many one star (the lowest) ratings as there are on Internet Movie Database (IMDB). On Rotten Tomatoes the viewers seem to concur. Yet here every critic's comment is positive.

Cannonmc (talk) 02:20, 30 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, we also mention multiple negative reviews---I personally added three of those.

I think part of the problem is that the original musical is very dark like Sweeney Todd (though not as bloody) and most people don't expect that when they watch Into the Woods. Plus, Sondheim's melodies are notorious for not being hummable; he has been so irritated by this recurring critique that it's a plot point in Merrily We Roll Along (musical). His music is very much an acquired taste, especially for audiences who have mostly grown up on hummable musical composers like Webber or Boublil/Schonberg. --Coolcaesar (talk) 14:21, 1 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Genre

Please don't change the genres or re-add ones that aren't mentioned in the prose. This is against WP:OR, WP:SUBJECTIVE and WP:RS. Andrzejbanas (talk) 22:50, 2 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Fully concur. --Coolcaesar (talk) 08:59, 4 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Can someone reverts this ?

Accidentaly i Deleted the template of the film In the Woods, can someone reverts this ? WhiteGuy1850 (talk) 21:10, 31 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Into the Woods (film)/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: HickoryOughtShirt?4 (talk · contribs) 00:16, 6 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

It is reasonably well written.

a (prose): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):
It is factually accurate and verifiable.
a (reference section): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):
It is broad in its coverage.
a (major aspects): b (focused):
It follows the neutral point of view policy.
Fair representation without bias:
It is stable.
No edit wars, etc.:
It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.
a (images are tagged and non-free content have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
Overall: Pass
Pass/Fail:

Review

Lead

Are references needed in the lead? Refs should only be used for controversial information
top eleven, eleven should be 11

Done all. There is a hidden note with a reference in it. Should that be moved out too? Rusted AutoParts 18:16, 6 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I would unless the genre is controversial HickoryOughtShirt?4 (talk) 18:18, 6 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I am seeing a minor discussion happened in 2015. I'm figuring the genre was contested at that point, with the hidden message added to dissuade further changes. Rusted AutoParts 19:05, 6 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Stage-to-screen changes

Meanwhile, many of the songs in the film have slightly different lyrics than their stage counterparts due to the slight tweaking of story lines. needs a reference
Thus the film does slightly differ from the stage production, comma after thus
deleted - odd word
Is there a reference for the last paragraph?

Done all. Rusted AutoParts 18:26, 6 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Development at Disney

After the critical and commercial success of Chicago in 2002, director Rob Marshall approached Stephen Sondheim as he was interested in adapting one of his musicals such as Follies and Sweeney Todd: The Demon Barber of Fleet Street, although Sondheim suggested Into the Woods instead long and oddly worded

Does this new wording work? "Following his success with the film adaptation of Chicago, Rob Marshall approached Stephen Sondheim as he was interested in adapting one of his musicals, with Sondheim suggesting Into the Woods to him" Rusted AutoParts 18:49, 6 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Is this okay Rusted AutoParts; "After the critical and commercial success of Chicago in 2002, director Rob Marshall approached Stephen Sondheim with a proposal to adapt one of his musicals. Although Marshall was initially interested in adapting Follies and Sweeney Todd: The Demon Barber of Fleet Street, Sondheim suggested Into the Woods instead." HickoryOughtShirt?4 (talk) 18:56, 6 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Perfect, I have inserted it. Rusted AutoParts 19:02, 6 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Sondheim confirmed that a new song had been written for the film. When did he confirm, to who. Please elaborate

Done Rusted AutoParts 18:52, 6 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(As a young Yale University student, she had participated in the original production of Sondheim's The Frogs.) why is this in brackets, what does this add?

Done Rusted AutoParts 18:56, 6 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Rusted AutoParts You have to move the reference over as well to support the claim. May I suggest a rewording to She was already familair with his work, having participated in the original production of Sondheim's The Frogs as a student at Yale.HickoryOughtShirt?4 (talk) 19:58, 6 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The Hollywood Reporter reported that to help make the film on such a tight budget, Depp agreed as a favor to Disney and to Marshall (whom he had just worked with in On Stranger Tides) to a "boarding" arrangement, in which he would appear in a minor role for a fee of $1 million, instead of his typical fee of $20 million for a starring role too long. I suggest removing (whom he had just worked with in On Stranger Tides).

Done Rusted AutoParts 18:55, 6 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Crawford auditioned for Marshall via Skype, who offered her the role within two hours; she was on a flight to London the next day, move the sentence she was on a flight to London the next day before who offered her the role within two hours.

I think the sentence is implying she was on a flight to the set the next day after being offered. Would removing the semi-colon and rewording it to "who offered her the role within two hours. Crawford was on a flight to London the next day as a resukt" or something? Rusted AutoParts 18:59, 6 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Rusted AutoParts Ahhh, I see. Yes, your re-wording is much better. HickoryOughtShirt?4 (talk) 19:56, 6 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Done Rusted AutoParts 22:07, 6 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Mauzy later revealed that she first auditioned for Cinderella but did not get the part. However, director Marshall saw her audition tape and brought her back in for Rapunzel, after recognizing "the 'vulnerability' and 'emotion' Mauzy could bring to Rapunzel after she read just one line", as he recalle should be before Sophia Grace Brownlee

Done Rusted AutoParts 19:00, 6 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Filming

A stuntman was employed to shoot hair-climbing scenes oddly placed. It seems like a nonsequitur and needs some better transition words
Footage was edited together in Avid Media Composer could be combined with the previous sentence

Done all, I reworded and fitted the stuntman line within the sentence following it. Rusted AutoParts 18:41, 6 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Release

It was released theatrically in the United States on December 25, 2014. needs a reference

Done Rusted AutoParts 18:27, 6 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Critical response

The paragraph praising Streep needs a reference
Leonard Maltin called the movie as "one of the year's best films". Similarly, Pete Hammond of Deadline praised the film as "the most dazzling movie musical since Marshall's own Chicago." and praised the performance of the cast, particularly Streep. Lou Lumerick of the New York Post called the film "this century's best musical" and lauded the performances of Streep and Blunt as the best female performances of the year. needs a reference
Gregory Ellwood of HitFix tipped Streep - I think you mean tapped

Done all Rusted AutoParts 18:38, 6 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

References

Interviews should generally be avoided

Now, would this mean that any sources utilising interviews be removed? Rusted AutoParts 22:10, 6 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Reference 22 doesn't say family friendly

Done Rusted AutoParts 18:45, 6 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Reference 29, 37, 39 doesn't support text

Sorry to ask again, but which sources are these specifically? Rusted AutoParts 22:10, 6 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Reference 30 doesn't specify which Roseanne

In regards to this, I believe it is due to Roseanne being a frequent shorthand for her, in addition to the name of her show. Should I put Roseanne Barr into a pipe like Roseanne? Rusted AutoParts 18:45, 6 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

That's fine. HickoryOughtShirt?4 (talk) 18:51, 6 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Remove reference 53

As I shifted around some sources and added in a few new ones could you specify which source you meant? Rusted AutoParts 18:47, 6 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Rusted AutoParts It is the Twitter thread. HickoryOughtShirt?4 (talk) 18:51, 6 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Done Rusted AutoParts 18:53, 6 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Fix title of the reference 56
Reference 60 needs publisher and author

I will also need pointing towards the other mentioned references due to the new and moved references. I wouldn't want to remove or alter the wrong sources. Rusted AutoParts 19:03, 6 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

No worries. Reference 60 was "Sophia Grace INTO THE WOODS Exit Explained; Dad Comments" and reference 56 is "Viral video star Sophia Grace Brownlee joins 'Into the Woods' as..." You just have to remove the as since it is no longer in the title. HickoryOughtShirt?4 (talk) 19:39, 6 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Done Rusted AutoParts 22:10, 6 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Rusted AutoParts Reference 56 needs to have the as removed. HickoryOughtShirt?4 (talk) 22:48, 6 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Done Rusted AutoParts 22:59, 6 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Pass, good job! Rusted AutoParts HickoryOughtShirt?4 (talk) 23:00, 6 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you very much for the review, Hickory. Rusted AutoParts 23:02, 6 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Criticism of themes in lead

In the lead it says the film received criticism for its lighter yet dark tone compared to the source material (which it has a comedic tone). Aside from being grammatically incorrect this is pretty confusing to me, but not being very familiar with either the play or movie I'm not sure how to correct this. How can something both have a lighter and darker tone in comparison to something else? And does the source material or the movie have a comedic tone? If someone more knowledgeable could adjust that I think that would be good. Clondin (talk) 18:49, 2 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Lower-case names for generic roles

The Gale Cengage textbook A Study Guide for 'Into the Woods' is typical of the style we should be aiming for. The study guide uses lower-case names for the baker, the narrator, the wolf, the two princes, the various wife characters, and so on.

MOS:PLOT says that "Plot summaries and character descriptions should be written in an out-of-universe style, presenting the narrative from a displaced, neutral frame of reference from the characters or setting." We should not be using the in-universe capitalized style of Lapine and Sondheim except in direct quotes. Binksternet (talk) 19:31, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]