Talk:International recognition of the State of Palestine/Archive 4

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Problem with Iran's date

So I recently found a link to the official website of the Palestinian mfa that lists the countries that have recognized Palestine as a state by date (though for some reason Ireland, Norway and Spain are already listed despite it not being effective until next Tuesday but that's not the topic at hand). One thing that I immediately saw was Iran being listed as the first country to do so, but their date (4 February 1988) predates the Palestinian Declaration of Independence's date so that's why they are listed as 4 February 1989 in this article. Any opinions on this? Underdwarf58 (talk) 10:34, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

Handy listing from AJ That says Iran 1989. Not sure about that Jordan version of the PNA site, however the UN document also says 4 February 1988, idk why. Selfstudier (talk) 11:42, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

140/141?

This 9 April letter lists 140 countries, including Mexico and the Holy See. The latter is an observer state, so 139 if we include Mexico.

Adding Barbados and Trinidad and Tobago since then gives 141.

Can we agree on this figure? Selfstudier (talk) 11:42, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

Can you recheck the link? It sends me to an error page. Semsûrî (talk) 11:48, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

OK, cannot go to it directly, you can instead reach it via https://undocs.org/en/A/78/846. Selfstudier (talk) 11:57, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

Well 141 it is. Semsûrî (talk) 12:06, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

Give it a day or two, see if anyone else has anything to add. Selfstudier (talk) 12:17, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

The document should be enough to add Mexico to the list. Semsûrî (talk) 12:27, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

@Semsûrî If Mexico is added to the table of countries that recognise Palestine, it must be removed from the table of countries that do not recognise it. Or, am I missing something? — kashmīrī ^TALK 12:34, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

OK, disregard, you've self reverted now. — kashmīrī ^TALK 12:35, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

Why did you remove the reference that showcased that diplomatic relations existed between Mexico and Palestine? Semsûrî (talk) 12:38, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

Can someone fact check whether or not Mexico recognised Palestine as a sovereign state? Qhairun (talk) 13:31, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

The Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Palestinian National Authotity says so. Underdwarf58 (talk) 22:51, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

See Talk:International_recognition_of_the_State_of_Palestine#MEXICO_DOES_NOT_RECOGNISE_PALESTINE_(24_MAY_2024) below, I think that it is clear that Mexico does not presently recognize Palestine. Selfstudier (talk) 09:57, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

Edit request

Therefore, I suggest listing in the article only those states that, if diplomatic relations exist, maintain at least embassies rather than liaison offices. With the help of AI, the 143 states should be quickly checked.

An embassy seems to merely indicate that the Palestinians unilaterally recognize the respective state. 91.25.188.242 (talk) 09:39, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

Not done, this is an entirely new and unsourced method of compiling the list which seems at variance with the historical method and current sources. Selfstudier (talk) 10:06, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

pre-May 22 blurbs about Spain, Ireland and Norway positions should be restored responsibly.

Before May 2024, all major states, whether recognizing or not, had a blurb about their position. While Spain & Ireland & Norway may take a few weeks to formalize their newly announced positions, their old blurbs should be restored & one or two new sentences can be added to reflect the new information that has come out on May 22 2024 (today!!).

This may be obvious, but Spain, Ireland and Norway should not be listed in the plain "not recognizing" sub-section. (Currently these 3 nations are just not listed at all, which is weird.) They should probably be listed under a new subsection called "Recognition announced (May 2024)" or "Recognition pending (May 2024)" or some other similar, reasonable, concise phrase.

I am not gonna complete this task myself today, but if someone doesn't sort if out in the next 48 hours, I'll be back to take another look soon. skakEL 15:26, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

For the sake of a week or so, might as well just wait. Selfstudier (talk) 15:38, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

The problem is that, at this point, the three countries don't appear at all in any of the tables, being the only countries that don't have any opinion on the matter in the world. The blurbs should be restored in the "No diplomatic recognition", but the announcements of their intention to recognize by May 28th should be included. Also, the entries for Slovenia and Belgium should be updated too, including the Slovene announcement of recognition by mid-June [1][2], and the decision of the Belgian cabinet to not recognize yet [3]. --B1mbo (talk) 18:26, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

Now its 4 days, what is the hurry? Selfstudier (talk) 18:31, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

I don't see how removing the information from three countries only because it probably will change in four days is helpful. I've recovered the blurbs from the three countries and added the information regarding the joint recognition on May 28th. After recognition is confirmed, they should be removed and added to the list of countries recognizing Palestine. --B1mbo (talk) 03:23, 26 May 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for restoring blurbs. skakEL 12:46, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

Scotland should be included in this map

Scotland is a sovereign state, and it recognises and supports Palestine. Many countries (and apparently the makers of this map), however, do not recognise Scotland itself as a sovereign nation, simply because Scotland is part of the United Kingdom, which is an economic union, much the same as the EU, and not a country in its own right. I would suggest that unless you intend to treat the entire EU as a single country with a single policy, then it is completely inappropriate to treat the UK as such, when Scotland and England have such differing positions on this and other issues of foreign policy.

In short, the makers of this page and this map should recognise Scotland as a country, because Scotland recognises Palestine as a country. I mean this in both senses. I do mean as a form of reciprocation, but more importantly, it is rank hypocrisy to state that this map reflects the countries that do and don't recognise Palestine, while not recognising one of the world's oldest countries, which does itself recognise Palestine as a country.

As a reference, here is a link to the Scottish Parliament's page for the cross-party group on Palestine: https://www.parliament.scot/get-involved/cross-party-groups/current-cross-party-groups/2021/palestine

I originally wanted access to edit the map, however if this can be resolved by simply colouring Scotland in green, then that's all i am looking for. CalumACarlyle (talk) 22:03, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

Scotland is not a sovereign state, which is why it is not included on this map. CMD (talk) 01:07, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

Yes, Scotland is and always has been a sovereign state. It is a member of the economic union known as the UK, Scotland is not a region, and never has been. If you recognise Palestine, you should also recognise Scotland, which recognises Palestine. CalumACarlyle (talk) 20:23, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

Scotland is not a sovereign state but a constituent country in the UK. Underdwarf58 (talk) 13:58, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

Yes, Scotland is and always has been a sovereign state. It is a member of the economic union known as the UK, Scotland is not a region, and never has been. If you recognise Palestine, you should also recognise Scotland, which recognises Palestine. CalumACarlyle (talk) 20:24, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

Edit request from non EC editor not done. Archiving this. Selfstudier (talk) 20:29, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

What about the updating with Spain, Norway and Ireland?

To this date and hour, Spain has officially recognized Palestine, even with prime minister Sanchez publicly announcing it, but this article still doesn't get updated. 79.117.67.55 (talk) 08:21, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

Patience, someone will do it shortly (perhaps one of those that was so anxious to include it before it was officially announced). Selfstudier (talk) 09:13, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

Spain: https://x.com/desdelamoncloa/status/1795403495971148077 Eray08yigit (talk) 10:55, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

Spain, Norway and Ireland formally recognize a Palestinian state as EU rift with Israel widens (AP) Selfstudier (talk) 11:30, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

Mexico does not recognize Palestine (24 May 2024)

I don't know who started the rumour Mexico recognises Palestine as a sovereign state, but it's false.

Today, May 24 (2024), the current President of Mexico has declared that his government is still considering (via the Mexican Secretariat of Foreign Affairs) if Mexico should officially recognise Palestine as an independent and sovereign state (or not). Here are the sources (in Spanish, his own words):

- https://www.elfinanciero.com.mx/mundo/2024/05/24/mexico-reconocera-a-palestina-como-estado-prefiero-que-esperemos-dice-amlo/

- https://www.informador.mx/mexico/AMLO-Cuestionan-al-Presidente-sobre-reconocer-como-Estado-a-Palestina-esto-respondio-20240524-0097.html

- https://www.milenio.com/politica/sre-analiza-si-reconoce-a-palestina-como-estado-dice-amlo

- https://www.jornada.com.mx/noticia/2024/05/24/politica/proximamente-mexico-dara-a-conocer-si-reconoce-o-no-a-palestina-amlo-2585

- https://vanguardia.com.mx/noticias/nacional/tras-el-anuncio-de-espana-noruega-e-irlanda-amlo-prefiere-esperar-para-reconocer-a-palestina-como-estado-KF12069636

The State of Palestine has an embassy in Mexico City, but this was a unilateral move from Ramallah (considered as such by the current Mexican Secretariat of Foreign Affairs last year). Again, the source in Spanish (where the Mexican Secretariat of Foreign Affairs also states that MEXICO DOES NOT RECOGNISE THE STATE OF PALESTINE even if both countries have good diplomatic relationships):

- https://www.jornada.com.mx/notas/2023/06/04/politica/abrir-legacion-de-palestina-decision-unilateral-sre/ Aleqc (talk) 18:47, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

Idk who started it but it is included in the UN document with a date of 2 June, so maybe the Palestinians started it. Let's read those sources and see what they say. Pretty sure you cannot unilaterally open an embassy, presentation of credentials etc. Selfstudier (talk) 18:58, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

That's good enough for me, so Mexico is not (yet) recognized by Mexico. Selfstudier (talk) 21:32, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

I agree that Mexico should be removed. However, it is a very odd diplomatic behavior to not recognize the State of Palestine officially, but still use the name "Estado de Palestine" to refer to the entity.[4] This practice does not make our work easy. Semsûrî (talk) 10:10, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

For confirmation purposes, is there an official Mexican government source that confirms that the President said to wait?

I ask because the Mexican government released a statement last month that says "Mexico has supported actions in several multilateral forums that have, among others, the legal effect of recognizing Palestine as a State". This implies that they recognize (although it's not entirely clear) https://www.gob.mx/sre/prensa/mexico-reaffirms-its-support-for-palestine-to-become-a-full-member-of-the-united-nations?idiom=en

By the way, that UN document about 2 June 2023 being the date of Mexican recognition is here (signed by the heads of OIC, Non-Aligned Movement, and the Arab Group). It's unclear whether Mexico was involved Gfoxwood (talk) 11:39, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

There are a half dozen sources above citing the Mexican president as saying that Mexico has not yet decided to recognize Palestine, notwithstanding that they have taken actions that imply recognition. Perhaps US/Mexico politics are playing a part there but regardless.

It's unclear whether Mexico was involved I don't think we can assume that Mexico had any direct involvement with that, although I don't think we can assume that SoP just made it up, either, possibly some misunderstandings somewhere along the line, we just don't know. Selfstudier (talk) 11:52, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

True, although there are a number of credible sources that say that they do recognize (e.g. Washington Post and Al Jazeera English), so it's difficult to know which media outlet is correct without an official Mexican source (or a video of the President's media conference or similar)

Anyhow I'm fine to leave it as unrecognized for now. Hopefully we get clarity soon

p.s. if my UN link didn't work before, here's another try https://documents.un.org/access.nsf/get?OpenAgent&DS=A/78/846&Lang=E Gfoxwood (talk) 12:20, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

Or https://undocs.org/en/A/78/846 Selfstudier (talk) 12:23, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

Malta

It appears their 1988 declaration only acknowledged Palestine's "right to a state", rather than giving official diplomatic recognition, which has yet to occur. Culloty82 (talk) 12:37, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

That seems clear enough so Malta has not recognized Palestine. Selfstudier (talk) 12:43, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

Several news agencies report that Malta’s government is to recognize a Palestinian state “when the circumstances are right". Which suggests, "not yet".

e.g. https://apnews.com/live/palestinian-state-recognized-european-countries-live#0000018f-a037-dbc9-a19f-f37ff4a50000 Adachika192 (talk) 16:38, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

References

Czech Republic recognition of State of Palestine

There is incorrect information in the article. The Czech Republic have not recognised State of Palestine. I enclose the latest official response to this question from Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Czech Republic: [5] . There is unequivocal consensus and no Czech official says it has recognised it - I also enclose czech well-respected news where they discussed if the Czech Republic is planning to recognise State of Palestine in the future: [6].

The mistake probably stems from the fact, that in 1988 the Czechoslovakia recognised it but this country dissolved in 1992 into 2 countries and one of them is the Czech Republic which has not (and still do not) recognized State of Palestine. The Czech Republic rejects the 1988 declaration as it was accepted under communist rule and has no effect on present country Czech Republic. It is also freely verifiable through literally whichever UN resolution concerning Palestine - the Czech Republic is always against it. For example here: [7] R4Z0 (talk) 12:42, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

I also enclose english-written news that tackle this issue: AP news or also Al-jazeera. Nonetheless, official Czech government statement is in my previous paragraph. The current source in this article to the "Yes" in recognition cites only the interpretation of State of Palestine authorities not the position of the Czech Republic. R4Z0 (talk) 13:24, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

Yet, the Czech MFA does use the term "State of Palestine" elsewhere (in its diplomatic list). [8] Semsûrî (talk) 14:24, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

The State of Palestine literally has an embassy in Prague Underdwarf58 (talk) 14:40, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

The Czech Republic was a legal successor of Czechoslovakia,[9] inheriting all its legal privileges and obligations as well as its diplomatic recognition status (both ways). — kashmīrī ^TALK 18:15, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

True, in effect, it means that Czech, unlike Slovakia, has unrecognized Palestine, a non usual action but allowed. The question is why they have retained the diplomatic setup, an embassy. Still, it's up to them, like everything in IP, it's political. Selfstudier (talk) 21:27, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

Slovakia has not offically recognized Palestine as a state.

In the context of Palestine's statehood, the year 1988 is significant because it marks the Palestine Liberation Organization's (PLO) declaration of the State of Palestine. On November 15, 1988, the PLO proclaimed the establishment of the State of Palestine at the Palestinian National Council meeting in Algiers. This declaration was an important milestone in the Palestinian quest for statehood and garnered recognition from numerous countries around the world.

Points of Consideration Including 1988:

1. 1988 Declaration: The PLO's 1988 declaration of independence was a pivotal event that has since shaped international discourse on Palestinian statehood. Over 100 countries recognized the State of Palestine following this declaration, although many Western nations, including Slovakia, did not extend formal recognition.

2. Slovakia's Position: Slovakia, like many other countries, did not immediately recognize Palestine following the 1988 declaration. Instead, Slovakia's approach has been consistent with the broader European stance, which emphasizes a negotiated peace process leading to a two-state solution rather than unilateral recognition.

3. Historical Context: Slovakia's historical context also plays a role. In 1988, Slovakia was part of Czechoslovakia, a country that was navigating its own complex international relations during the waning years of the Cold War. The dissolution of Czechoslovakia in 1993 and the establishment of the Slovak Republic brought new foreign policy considerations, but the cautious stance on recognizing Palestine persisted.

4. Diplomatic Relations: While Slovakia has not formally recognized Palestine as a state, it has engaged diplomatically with the Palestinian Authority. This diplomatic engagement reflects Slovakia's support for Palestinian self-determination within the framework of a negotiated two-state solution.

In summary, while the 1988 declaration of Palestinian statehood was a significant moment that influenced international perspectives, Slovakia has maintained a cautious and balanced approach, aligning with broader European policies and advocating for a negotiated resolution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict rather than unilateral recognition of Palestine. 91.25.188.242 (talk) 07:41, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

@91.25.188.242; I'm sorry but other than submitting edit requests, you are not allowed to comment/discuss here. See the notice on the top of the page. — kashmīrī ^TALK 07:43, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

Spain, Ireland and Norway recognize a Palestinian state. Why does that matter? (AP) confirms that Slovakia took a different path, "Slovakia’s Foreign Ministry says that the two sides confirmed their mutual recognition when Slovakia was becoming independent in 1992-93, and that the Palestinian state has a fully functioning embassy in Bratislava since 2006." Czech also has an embassy, slightly odd position, diplomatic relations yes but state recognition, no. In effect Czech has unrecognized Palestine and should be removed from the list. Selfstudier (talk) 14:38, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

The Map of the Recognition of Palestine and the Relevancy of its Categories.

I don't believe that the category of "states that have announced their impending recognition of the State of Palestine" is really that relevant or useful. States are not recognizing the State of Palestine often enough for that category to be useful. By the time Slovenia recognizes Palestine, the category will become unused. However, there is another category that I believe is more useful. Many states have passed resolutions, bills, or motions calling on their respective government to recognize the State of Palestine, such as the United Kingdom or France. Although I don't believe this category is very useful either, it is more useful than the category of "states that have announced their impending recognition of the State of Palestine" and I believe it gives a bit more understanding on the positions of states in regard to recognition of the State of Palestine. CheezyCheddar (talk) 20:08, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

Diplomatic relations

So what should we do with the diplomatic list section of the table? The PLO has missions in Norway and Ireland but they are not considered embassies of the State of Palestine (so far). Ireland uses Palestinian mission[10], Norway uses the term Palestinian (Liberation Organization) mission [11], while its diplomatic mission of Palestine for Spain[12]. Any thoughts? Semsûrî (talk) 14:20, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

Considering what you said while reverting my edit, we have no choice but to wait until those missions convert to embassies. Underdwarf58 (talk) 14:33, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

Spain confirmed: https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international/article/2024/05/29/palestine-officially-inaugurates-its-embassy-in-madrid_6672989_4.html Underdwarf58 (talk) 01:48, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 22 May 2024

Hi,

Change map of recognition. Remove Czech Republic from list of state which recognize Palestina as a state.

According to Ministry of Foreign Affairs in the Czech Republic. Czech Republic doesn't recognize Palestine as a state. The map is wrong.

Source: https://mzv.gov.cz/jnp/cz/zahranicni_vztahy/vyrocni_zpravy_a_dokumenty/poskytnute_informace/postoj_cr_drive_csfr_a_cssr_k_uznani.html

Czech: "K uznání palestinského státu ze strany ČR tak prozatím nedošlo" Translation: "So far, there has been no recognition of the Palestinian state by the Czech Republic" Jirik Kolarik (talk) 09:43, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

I'll add this in the hope that it provides a bit more context and sourcing for the request.

The International Criminal Court case ICC-01/18 "Decision on the ‘Prosecution request pursuant to article 19(3) for a ruling on the Court’s territorial jurisdiction in Palestine’ included Amicus curiae submissions. The Czech Republic provided a submission of observations (ICC-01/18-69 13-03-2020 1/10 NM PT) on 12 March 2020. It provides some clarity on the Czech Republic's position (which is a bit confusing because of history, the fact that they have diplomatic relations with the State of Palestine and numerous sources reporting that Czech Republic has recognized Palestine). The Czech Republic's submission is also discussed in the ICC pre-trial chamber's determination report (ICC-01/18-143 05-02-2021 1/60 EC PT) from 5 February 2021. Sean.hoyland (talk) 10:25, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

Interesting. The last document you linked says: 101. The Chamber notes that, in the context of the present proceedings, seven States Parties submitted observations on the Prosecutor’s Request as amici curiae thereby arguing that Palestine cannot be considered a State for the purposes of article 12(2)(a) of the Statute, namely the Czech Republic, Austria, Australia, Hungary, Germany, Brazil and Uganda. However, it should be noted that these States remained silent during the accession process and that none of them challenged Palestine’s accession before the Assembly of State Parties at that time or later. (page 45). That would also mean that of our recognition list, also Brazil, Hungary and Uganda don't recognise Palestine as a state. Do we have any sources about these countries?

Of note, it's amusing how the Czech MFA, in the link provided by the OP, struggles to explain how a non-country can have a diplomatically recognised embassy in Prague. — kashmīrī ^TALK 11:09, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

There is a lot of political posturing going on there and trying, rather unsuccessfully, to make use of the distinction between a State and a State Party. Selfstudier (talk) 11:18, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

Example, Brazil voted for 67/19 and for the application to join UNESCO (there is also a correlation between governments of the right and what they say compared to when they are run by the left). Selfstudier (talk) 11:35, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

Re Brazil, it seems Lula recognised Palestine in 2010, and while Bolsonaro was pro-Israeli in foreign policy, he doesn't appear to have reversed the decision. Culloty82 (talk) 11:36, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

It all perhaps boils down to the one key feature of sovereignty, viz. freedom to recognise the sovereignty of others at will. This is also, incidentally, something that many Wikipedia editors did not seem to grasp. A sovereign country is free to recognise whomever they wish as its equal (i.e., similarly sovereign), and it's this fact that decides on whether a polity can be called sovereign, rather than its membership in international organisations.

That also means that one government in a country is free to recognise someone's sovereignty, and the next is free to say they don't recognise one (of course, each act comes with administrative and political costs).

How do we approach this on Wiki, when the Czechoslovak government recognised Palestine and one of subsequent governments refused to do that? I don't know. — kashmīrī ^TALK 11:49, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

It's quite unusual for state recognition to be reversed. The Derecognition of States "argues that state derecognition is a highly controversial and unstable practice that has less to do with the unfulfillment of the conditions of statehood by the claimant than with the advancement of the self-interest of the former base state and derecognizing state. The derecognition of states is not a rule; rather, it is an exception in international diplomacy, driven by political expediency and is incompatible with original rationales for granting recognition."

Interestingly, he analyzes Taiwan, Western Sahara, Abkhazia, South Ossetia, and Kosovo but not Palestine. Selfstudier (talk) 11:56, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

I don't quite see how you can have derecognition and an embassy at the same time, tbh although they inherited the situation as successor. There must be sources somewhere explaining the position, which seems a bit contradictory. I think we will have to just go by reliable sources and I think that the Czech government is not necessarily a reliable source in this particular case. Selfstudier (talk) 12:30, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

BBC pointed out[13] that a country voting for Palestine's accession to the UN GA or other UN bodies implies recognition. Going by this interpretation, both Brazil and Uganda recognise Palestinian statehood (they voted Yes on 10th May), although Czechia and Hungary might still not. — kashmīrī ^TALK 15:12, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

Malta is a bit odd, too. 16 November 1988, supposed recognition but then why? I think it is more politics, tbh, they want to make a kind of trend of announcements, perhaps. Belgium is also in there somewhere. Selfstudier (talk) 15:38, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

References

 Not done: See above. thetechie@enwiki: ~/talk/ $ 03:16, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

Slovenia update

Just giving you a heads up. It is expected that tomorrow, the government of Slovenia will discuss a proposal to recognize Palestine to the country's legislative body for approval. Underdwarf58 (talk) 11:24, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

This obviously doesn't mean immediate recognition, but who knows? Maybe they will confirm a date like the previous three countries did. Underdwarf58 (talk) 11:25, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

Confirmed, we'll have to wait until next Tuesday if the parliament approves it. Underdwarf58 (talk) 23:50, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

Welp, it got postponed Underdwarf58 (talk) 11:53, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

Another update: The referendum motion was withdrawn and the parliament has since voted to approve. 86.92.89.111 (talk) 20:21, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

Mexico recognizes Palestine

Mexico should be green and the first North American country to recognize Palestine 73.106.16.53 (talk) 22:43, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

Although the Special Delegation office in Mexico was upgraded to an Embassy last year, the Mexican Government has recently clarified that it has not recognized Palestine as a state.

https://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2024/05/25/726198/Anger-as-Mexico-delays-recognising-Palestine-amid-record-Israeli-isolation

This is the first source I found, however there are many others. CheezyCheddar (talk) 01:00, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

Already discussed. Selfstudier (talk) 20:34, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

Slovenia just recognized Palestine

Quite clearly: https://x.com/mzez_rs/status/1798081688343548163?s=48&t=kJLyaI6hau_cAdPQ04TQfQ 2A00:A041:3B9A:AC00:D172:9D2:443E:61B (talk) 20:23, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

Yep Slovenia becomes 4th European country to recognize Palestinian state after parliamentary vote Selfstudier (talk) 20:33, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

The reference used in the article even mentions that the parliamentary approved proposal needs to be approved by the government - thus not final[14]. Semsûrî (talk) 20:33, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

Other way around, already approved subject to a parliamentary vote. So, yes, it is final. Selfstudier (talk) 20:36, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

Well, self-revert it is. Semsûrî (talk) 20:40, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

It's 144, right?

Just checking that after all the conversations and goings on, we have settled at 144. All agree? Selfstudier (talk) 11:11, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

Plan B - "or thereabouts" is currently used in 335 Wikipedia articles. Sean.hoyland (talk) 13:03, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

Lol. Selfstudier (talk) 13:09, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

Armenia has just recognized Palestine

Armenia has just recognized Palestine: https://www.mfa.am/hy/interviews-articles-and-comments/2024/06/21/mfa_statement/12706 (also, in the section about Japan the word Palestinian is misspelled as “Palestianian”) 2A02:14F:1F2:F027:1E3:18AC:8942:B097 (talk) 07:48, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

I'm seeing sources saying that and it has been added, so.....145. Selfstudier (talk) 08:58, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

The Times of Israel even says 145 UN members. Underdwarf58 (talk) 14:31, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

Could you please just add percentage to lead?

To make it clearer to readers, could you please add the percentage of countries that recognize Palestine to the first sentence, making it be “As of July 2024, the State of Palestine is recognized as a sovereign state by 145 of the 193 (75.13%) member states of the United Nations.” 77.137.75.98 (talk) 11:49, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

How about "three quarters" per This sourcerecognition of the Palestinian State? Selfstudier (talk) 11:56, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

I’d go with the percentage as it will probably be changing slightly with time, and I guess everyone understands that over 75% means over three quarters. Still, the following sentence also is missing a word, I believe it should read “due to THE FACT THAT the United States…”176.12.184.253 (talk) 12:05, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

Might be a way to automate the %... Selfstudier (talk) 12:30, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

Seems fine, or "more than three-quarters". Two decimal places, even talking about a percentage of countries, just seems silly. What's 0.13% of a country? Iskandar323 (talk) 13:35, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

{{Numrec|Pal}} produces 146 but unfortunately {{percentage|{{Numrec|Pal}}|193|0}} doesn't seem to work for a %. Anyone know how to do that? Selfstudier (talk) 15:00, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

So could you just add 75% for now? Someone will always remember to change it for each new recognition. But the following sentence is still grammatically wrong / not proper English: “due to the United States, a permanent member (…), has consistently used” - should be “due to the fact that the United States (…) has consistently used” in proper English. 2A00:A041:3B9A:AC00:439:4B8A:FA1C:5595 (talk) 22:32, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

 Done — kashmīrī ^TALK 23:29, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

Proposal to Split the List of States into Two Collapsible Sections

I propose splitting the “List of States” into two collapsible sections to improve the readability and navigation of the page on mobile devices. The two sections could be titled:

1. Diplomatic recognition(s) 2. No diplomatic recognition

This separation would help readers quickly identify the categories of states and entities listed, making the information more accessible.

Additionally, I would like to inquire whether the “Sovereign Military Order of Malta,” which lacks territorial sovereignty, should be grouped alongside partially recognized states like Kosovo and the Republic of China (Taiwan). It seems to have a unique status that might not fully align with the others in the same category. 91.25.188.242 (talk) 23:36, 30 July 2024 (UTC)

Not done for now. There is recognition of sovereignty between states, and then there are diplomatic relations between governments or similar entities. The two are often, but not always, aligned. If anything, the table could have two separate columns, one mentioning the recognition status and the other, whether diplomatic relations have been established. — kashmīrī ^TALK 18:56, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

Czech (again)

Please refer to the discussion here. Thoughts? Selfstudier (talk) 21:12, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

What about going along those lines? - In 1988, Czechoslovakia officially recognised Palestine and this act was carried over to its legal successor Czechia. Lately, the government of Peter Fiala, in line with its pro-Israeli policy, began to question the continuing recognition, arguing that there is currently no Palestinian entity fulfilling the criteria of an independent state. However, Czechia did not formally revoke the 1988 act, and the Czech government and the Palestinian Authority continue to maintain diplomatic relations. Needs copyediting and adding sources.— kashmīrī ^TALK 13:01, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

Added per BOLD. I suggest moving Czechia to countries that do recognise Palestine, per lots of sources and the actual legal situation it seems. — kashmīrī ^TALK 23:46, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

So that technically makes it 146 countries recognizing it? Underdwarf58 (talk) 14:40, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

Unless someone is going to make some strong objection, it seems there is sufficient sourcing to say that, yes. Perhaps give it a little more time before adding it. Selfstudier (talk) 14:46, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

Proposal:

The article currently mentions 145 states recognizing the State of Palestine, whereas the map displays 146. I recommend aligning these figures for consistency. 91.25.188.242 (talk) 09:49, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

France recognized Palestine this summer

Note that this is because a new government got elected in the National Assembly, a left government 2A01:E0A:493:4210:14A:1946:9A05:9D20 (talk) 06:26, 7 September 2024 (UTC)

Btw, that's the text of the Sénat proposing the decision :

https://www.senat.fr/leg/ppr14-049.html 2A01:E0A:493:4210:14A:1946:9A05:9D20 (talk) 06:30, 7 September 2024 (UTC)

Treating this as an edit request, there is no decision yet. The French parliament voted in 2014 to recognize and Macron is thinking about it, under some pressure from the left. Selfstudier (talk) 08:57, 7 September 2024 (UTC)

Use of quotation marks around Palestine violates NPOV

I hereby start a public inquiry if the quotation marks that are present at this time in the very last paragraph of the article should be removed:

"In an objection of 16 May 2014, Israel informed the Secretary General of the United Nations that it did not consider that 'Palestine' (single quotation marks in original)..."

It is already stated that Israel is using quotation marks in its communication. The actual use of quotation marks around Palestine is useless and violates NPOV. Please deliver your For, Against and Neutral statements here:

--78.54.180.123 (talk) 16:41, 18 October 2024 (UTC)

Fixed. Selfstudier (talk) 17:05, 18 October 2024 (UTC)