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A fact from Ingeborg Beugel appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 30 December 2021 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that Ingeborg Beugel left Greece following death threats and reported attacks after she questioned the prime minister about pushbacks?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2021/December. The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Ingeborg Beugel.

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WP:BLP1E case?

So far it seems a WP:BLP1E case. @Cinnadon: is she known for something else?Alexikoua (talk) 09:50, 2 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

When I first saw the suggestion of @GGT: that Beugel is notable [1], I did a quick gsearch and noticed that

She is known for the lets say "November 2021" incidence
She was on the spot of media attention in June 2021 (when arrested for hosting an asylum seeker)
She was known in 2012, in Greek and Dutch media, for articles against the "mistreatment of Greece" by Dutch politicians. This article for example, says [2] "Τα τελευταία δύο χρόνια συμμετέχει σε πολιτικές συζητήσεις και talk shows (ως ειδική σε θέµατα που αφορούν την Ελλάδα π.χ. στο τηλεοπτικό πρόγραµµα µεγάλης ακροαµατικότητας Pauw & Witteman), όπου καταφέρνει πάντα να θέτει τα ζητήματα στις σωστές τους διαστάσεις, να στηλιτεύει την υποκρισία των ιθυνόντων και να παρουσιάζει και την άλλη, την πιο ανθρώπινη πλευρά της κρίσης και της λιτότητας. Παράλληλα αρθρογραφεί με πάθος για μεγάλες και έγκυρες ολλανδικές εφημερίδες that is "For the last two years she has been participating in political discussions and talk shows (as an expert on issues concerning Greece, for example in the TV program Pauw & Witteman), where she always manages to put the issues in their proper dimensions, to stigmatize hypocrisy of those in charge and to present the other, more human side of the crisis and austerity. At the same time he writes passionately for major and prestigious Dutch newspapers" (I used google translate)
Both Dutch and Greek WP have an article on her.

So, I thought she is notable. Cinadon36 11:19, 2 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Her documentaries seem to have been gathering attention way before the two incidents, and after those she definitely clears GNG. See this article from 2013. I don't have too much time on my hands atm but would be interested in expanding/copyediting this article in about a week's time. --GGT (talk) 17:36, 2 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was: promoted by Theleekycauldron (talk) 19:44, 21 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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... ~~that after questioning the Prime Minister of Greece about pushbacks, journalist Ingeborg Beugel received death threats, was reportedly attacked on the streets and had to leave the country?~~ Source: [3][4][5]

ALT1 ... that after questioning the Prime Minister of Greece about pushbacks, Ingeborg Beugel received death threats and was reportedly attacked on the streets, which made her leave the country?Source: [6][7][8]
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Mauatua

Created by GGT (talk) and Cinadon36 (talk). Nominated by GGT (talk) at 01:27, 9 December 2021 (UTC).[reply]

GGTHow about including a date, also linking to the the Greek prime minister Mitsotakis to denote that it is about a contemporary event? Then also remove the exit from Greece? I mean, she was threatened and reportedly attacked, but she wasn't forced to leave the country by the greek authorities.Paradise Chronicle (talk) 06:35, 14 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the comment. The point here is to make this an interesting hook and I don’t think that adding the date would help accomplish that - in fact, it would dampen the “punch”. The suggestion about linking to the Greek PM is definitely worthwhile - will do. The hook does not claim that she was forced by the Greek authorities, it simply states that she had to leave the country, which is in in line with the language used by the sources - the IPI calls it an “involuntary departure”. This is definitely the most interesting part of the hook (the news items focus on her departure, not the attacks), so I strongly prefer keeping it in. —GGT (talk) 00:50, 17 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

On the date I thought it might be an interesting hook to show that this is possible in the 21st century and that it wasn't during the Greek Junta. How about something on the lines decided, chose to or (death threats) which made her leave the country instead of had to . The Al Jazeera source states that she was forced to plan leaving the country, if you check the IPI link it says also that she planned to leave the country and if one reads the whole article it becomes evident she chose by herself to leave. Under pressure from the media, but she decided by herself.Paradise Chronicle (talk) 02:34, 17 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

”Which made her” would be an improvement. Thanks for the suggestions - I don’t have access to a PC at the moment but feel free to implement the two changes (link to Greek PM and wording). —GGT (talk) 22:55, 17 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

How about this? But we need an additional reviewer now to tick it in.Paradise Chronicle (talk) 07:41, 20 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: We need another reviewer to tick it in as I made the adaptions to the hook Paradise Chronicle (talk) 07:41, 20 December 2021 (UTC) y[reply]

Reviewer needed to check hook(s). Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 04:49, 21 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I’ve copyedited ALT1. —GGT (talk) 07:47, 21 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

That now the ALT1 is not from me, I can approve it.Paradise Chronicle (talk) 08:29, 21 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

ALT1 to T:DYK/P5