Talk:Indo-Persian culture

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This has the feel of a PoV fork; could anyone familiar with the area confirm this or rule it out? --Mel Etitis (Talk) 09:09, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

it appears that we do not actually have a standalone article on this otherwise, but I located two articles which treat the subject in a section. --dab (𒁳) 16:35, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

P N Oak

Why in the heck is there a huge section on P N Oak who is on the extreme fringe of historical writing and only distantly related to this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 14.96.14.73 (talk) 16:52, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

I have removed all such references to P N Oak's work as it is pseudohistorical and has no veracity, now the article should read better without the section.

Azeem Ali (talk) 23:25, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

Change of title and topic

reaming this to "Indo-Persian literature" and changing the article to fit isn't something that should be done without a great deal of discussion — it involves a change, not merely to what's said, but to the subject of the article. Please propose the change here first. (Why not create a new article if you think that one is needed?) --Mel Etitis (Talk) 13:32, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

Indo-Persian culture shouled be changed to Indo-Iranic culture (not Iranian culture - Iranian culture is only a word for the iranic culture of various Iranic people of modern Iran, mostly synonym for Persians of Iran) since most people still belive modernday Iran was old Persia, falsefully. Persia was a very large area that streched from Anatolia and the Balkan region to NW-India. The Persian culture that came to India had it´s root in central Asia, in the ancient country that once was called (Greater) Khorasan(modern Afghanistan, Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan, Tajikistan, Pakistan...). The description self is wrong. Iranic people have Iranic culture and have not adoptet Iranian´s culture. From the age of the avestan periode till today most Iranic people have still the same culture and language, particularely the Persians and their sub-groups (Tajiks, Talish people, Tats). Non-Persians but Iranic people like Kurds or Balochs haven´t the same language but the same culture and that is why I ask you to change the title to Indo-Iranic culture because Indian muslims in northern and central India and Pakistanis along with various modern Turkic states in central Asia and beyong share the same culture with the Iranic (Indo-European) population of central Asia, Iran and Iraq.

--Draco of Utopia (talk) 11:50, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

Lots of things you're getting totally wrong here. Persia is only a small region in the south of the modern state Iran; don't confuse it with Greater Iran. The province of Persia is also the place of origin of the (Old) Persian language. Only New Persian does originate further to the northeast, in Transoxania and (Greater) Khorasan, chiefly under the Samanids. Talysh is a Northwestern Iranian language, not Persian at all. The usual linguistic term is Iranian, not Iranic. The Indo-Persian culture is not about Balochi or Kurds, nor about the Balochi language or Kurdish; it's exclusively about the Persian language and the associated Islamic cultural tradition, not Iranian languages and cultures in general, non-Persian Iranian influence on Indian languages and cultures in general being negligible. --Florian Blaschke (talk) 23:30, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

Hyderabad

Indo-Persian culture was at its strongest in the Hyderabad of the Nizams but the article does not even mention a passing mention. -Ravi_{My Tea Kadai} 03:05, 9 September 2012 (UTC)

Lack of support

This article reads like a personal reflection and essay. It needs citations. The citations given are poor quality and do not support the content at all. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.243.188.203 (talk) 12:01, 3 March 2013 (UTC)

Lack of inline citations =/= WP:OR. I didn't spot anything that I'd qualify as "OR". Hence I removed that particular tag, as it was placed without justification. - LouisAragon (talk) 13:50, 12 June 2017 (UTC)

Persian-only POV and poorly referenced

This arcticle has few major problems:

• POV: as pointed out by the previous use in 2013, the problem still persists in 2017, that this is written like a personal reflection (POV) mainly with persian slant (only persian culture influenced indian culture), there is little suggest the BALANCED content of bidirectional interaction and development of local culture. For example, the base of Urdu is still local Indian language Khadi boli that originated from Sanskrit, on top of that Kahdi boli base though Hindi has more sanskrit influence and urdu as "COMPARATIVELY ONLY" (to Hindi, but base still largely remains Sanskrit-origin Khari boli). Remember urdu may
• Original research and heavy bias e.g. article had this UNI-DIRECTIONAL definition of "indo-poersian culture" "Indo-Persian culture" refers to those Persian aspects that have been integrated into or absorbed into the cultures of the Indian Subcontinent (hence the prefix "Indo"), and in particular, into North India, and modern-day Pakistan. and I have changed it to "Indo-Persian culture refers to the bi-directional interaction and mutual influence of Indian culture and Persian culture leading to the evolution of distinct amalgamated aspects, which in turn also influenced both Indian and Persian cultures, influence of which can be seen in the cultures of the Indian Subcontinent (hence the prefix "Indo", and in particular, into North India, and modern-day Pakistan) and Iran.

• Poorly referenced: The whole article is so poorly referenced, that the bulk of article is screaming to be reverted. hardly anything stated in the article is substantiated with verifiable reputed balanced references.

I want to see a BALANCED article, not the nationalistic biased leaning of people trying to impose certain slant on the culture. Please help me improve with more references and BALANCED BIDIRECTIONAL CULTURAL EXCHANGE views. Being.human (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 08:14, 24 May 2017 (UTC) <--- blocked sock of User:Vdhillon

With all due respect, you didn't exactly make the issue better by adding unsourced original research of your own point of view to the article. --HistoryofIran (talk) 23:53, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

Focus of this page

I think this article focuses too heavily on language (although it does talk about architecture sometimes, and there is a mention of music). There is a separate page on language called "Persian language in the Indian subcontinent) which I'm working on expanding. Since this is a page about culture, I think it would do better to diversify and pay attention to things that aren't language as well. A lot of these things have their own articles. To start I've added sections on food and architecture, and linked them to the main articles, and I hope these can be improved by other users.

I'm also not sure what to do about the history bit. It traces the history of Indo persian culture well but in doing so clumps together topics that could have their own section. Might be something to look into. Gowhk8 (talk) 02:01, 14 April 2021 (UTC)

Vijayanagana

There is no mention Or sources stating that vijayanagara was persianized. Bhima Palavīṉamāṉa (talk) 14:56, 26 August 2021 (UTC)

Not enough info on earlier periods of Persian influence

For the most part, this only talks about the Islamic era Persian influences, but Persian influence in India starts as early as the Achaemenid rule of Gandhara. Shouldn't that be talked about here? Himeaimichu (talk) 12:07, 30 June 2023 (UTC)

I believe it should, good point. The article needs a rewrite to include persian influences from the 1st millennium BCE Soothsayer79 (talk) 22:41, 4 March 2024 (UTC)