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Featured article

When do we want to nominate this for featured article status? --evrik 13:42, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

I removed the Popular Culture section since it was really just glorified (well, not even glorified, just renamed) WP:TRIVIA. Mentioning that the subject of this article is in a video game, or is in a movie about the American Revolution, contributes nothing. Alphageekpa (talk) 11:55, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

Thoughts for Improvement

  1. Increase information for the history
    1. Links to Second Continental Congress
    2. If possible, usages of building between Revolution and Constitution
    3. Usages after Constitution
    4. When building was made national monument
    5. Events in the modern era - perhaps combine the Present Event section
  2. Improve the Protected area info-box
  3. Add section on architecture of the building itself. Size/floors/construction/etc.
  4. Do something with the pictures at the bottom of the page, Not all seem to belong to this article. Or at least modify how they are presented, they take up a lot of room for not a lot of value
  5. Find more Popular Culture/Trivia items to add. (please see WP:TRIVIA -- Alphageekpa (talk) 11:56, 17 November 2007 (UTC))

Marcsin 16:25, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Original name

A good addition to the article might be to include the original name of the building: it obviously wasn't "Independence Hall" or "State House" when it was built. Maybe it was "Province House" or the "House of Assembly" (wild guesses). Indefatigable 20:14, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

Exists in introductory paragraph - it was built as the Pennsylvania State House. Alphageekpa (talk) 12:11, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

First Gay Rights Demonstration

It should be noted that on July 4, 1965 the very first organized gay and lesbian civil rights demonstration took place here. In those years before the Stonewall Rebellion (June, 1969) there were only a few dozen G/L/B/T groups in North America; they were known collectively as "The Homophile Movement." For the gay community this was an historic event. The practice of demonstrating in front of Independence Hall continued for the next four years, but Stonewall and the subsequent Gay Pride Parades in cities throughout the country replaced these Philadelphia demonstrations which were called "The Annual Reminder." Please note that several yards away from the entrance of this building is an official free standing bronze plaque, but up by the state of Pennsylvania, recognizing the historical importance of this site to the G/L/B/T community. Buddmar (talk) 00:04, 16 July 2008 (UTC)buddmar

Every participant in that demonstration was, of course, duly noted in the FBI's dossier on the subject... or, as they snickeringly called it at first, their "homo file". Turned out that Jedgar Hoover didn't think that was very funny, for some unknown reason. :\ Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 00:19, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Coordinates display incorrectly

When viewing this article from Safari and Firefox (on Mac OS X), the coordinate text appears to be being drawn twice in the same location, which makes the text unreadable. Tweisbach (talk) 05:13, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

Corrected. Appears to be a conflict between the 'geolinks-US-buildingscale' tag and the data in the infobox both populating coordinate data at the top of the article page. I removed the tag, and it appears to have corrected the problem. Alphageekpa (talk) 10:27, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

Image Location

Perhaps it's just me, but it seems strange that the lead image in the article is an engraving and not an actual picture of Independence Hall. Thoughts? 151.199.251.79 (talk) 18:34, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

Importance

The Pennsylvania State House was where the two most important events in the history of the United States happened, and the adjoining two buildings, Congress Hall and the City Hall used as the United States Supreme Court building, were the nation's capital for ten years. I have added two templates, ranking the importance of this building in U.S. History as top, and of the whole story of the United States, high. Any comments? --DThomsen8 (talk) 22:39, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

Requested move

The following is a closed discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the proposal was moved. --RegentsPark (talk) 22:21, 1 March 2010 (UTC) Independence Hall (United States) → Independence Hall — This is the primary topic, as it is hit considerably more than any other Independence Hall page, likely recieves most of the traffic from the disambiguation page (if the other page's hits are put together, they are still less than the disambiguation page), and this subject is titled "Independence Hall" on most other 'pedias [1] . Discussion about moving Independence Hall to Independence Hall (disambiguation) in preparation for moving this has taking place here for several days Purplebackpack89 (Notes Taken) (Locker) 21:02, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

Discuss this at Talk:Independence Hall Purplebackpack89 (Notes Taken) (Locker) 00:13, 25 February 2010 (UTC)
Support as nom Purplebackpack89 (Notes Taken) (Locker) 21:02, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

About the building

I want to know more about the building itself, what about the construction, how big, what other rooms are there, items of interest, what about that clock, why did it take so long to build, and what changes has it undergone over the years? and show me more photos of the interior, please. How has it been conserved? The info about the signing of the Declaration of Independence, etc., is great but could be expanded on in another article. See the history of the U.S. Capitol bulding, white house, etc., for this type of content.Amity150 (talk) 04:09, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

It might interest you that to know that the clock on the 100 dollar bill is incorrectly drawn and uses "IV" whereas the real clock uses "IIII". The article for Roman numerals has an interesting section on clocks and Roman numerals. Jason Quinn (talk) 16:23, 30 March 2011 (UTC)

drop from wikiproject Protected areas

This is not a natural area, dropping from Wikiproject Protected areas. Adding to Wikiproject NRHP as it is main contributing property in NRHP-listed Independence Hall Historical Park. --Doncram (talk) 19:46, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

Protected Area infobox replaced with the NRHP infobox as contributing. Morgan Riley (talk) 18:48, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

NOT a National Historic Landmark, what kind of landmark is this?

Independence Hall is NOT a U.S. National Historic Landmark. See List of National Historic Landmarks in Pennsylvania for a complete list of those in the state, and for NHL sources. Independence Hall is a National Historical Park, maybe that is better than being a National Historic Landmark. However, the first paragraph of this article links to national landmark which then suggests that Independence Hall is either a U.S. National Historic Landmark or a U.S. National Natural Landmark (which it is not). Either this article, or the national landmark article, or both, ought to be revised somehow to remove this confusion. doncram (talk) 16:17, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

Probably fixed a while ago, but for the record of the talk page, it is specifically a "contributing property to the Independence National Historical Park National Historic Landmark District" (quite a mouthful). So it, in combination with a number other sites, structures, buildings, etc., it forms the national historic landmark, but is not one independently one on its own. Close though! Morgan Riley (talk) 01:11, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

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Images

I uploaded a nice images....Image:Independencehall.jpe ...but i cannot get it to fit right. can someone take a stab? Kingturtle 05:50, 24 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Charles Wilson Peale's Museum

The article could use some information on the history of the building during the 19th C. While primarily used as a historic monument, the upper floor was Charles Wilson Peale's Museum, a famed collection of curiosities, stuffed birds and animals, including a Mastodon skeleton.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.39.163.114 (talk • contribs) 10:20, March 27, 2007

'State' House in 1729?

I assume this is an error, but I'm not sure what a provincial legislative chamber would have been called in Colonial America. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 107.3.44.127 (talk) 17:45, 24 June 2015 (UTC)

  • The term "state" is not an American creation, nor is its application limited to organizational divisions within the United States of America post July 4, 1776. A "State House" is merely a capitol. The US Capitol could legitimately be called a State House. It's just not, by custom. And by custom, some US states call their capitols their "State House" and others use a different term. If a more generic term is preferred here, "legislative hall" would probably do nicely. But the more important question to ask is whether there's a reliable source to support the premise of the assertion, not whether the specific terminology here is particularly artful. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:147:C380:A180:7DE5:F086:9A02:4F6D (talk) 17:05, 27 January 2021 (UTC)

Date of the name Independence Hall

Does anyone have any evidence on when the name Independence Hall began to be used? It would be a useful bit of perspective. deisenbe (talk) 17:04, 23 March 2018 (UTC)

I'm guessing @BoringHistoryGuy: would have an idea. Off the top of my head, during the Revolution (and before) it was known as the State House, so when the state capital was moved (1820s??) might have been a good time to change the name. Smallbones(smalltalk) 17:08, 23 March 2018 (UTC)
Harrisburg,_Pennsylvania#Founding gives October 1812 as the date of the capital moving there. Smallbones(smalltalk) 17:12, 23 March 2018 (UTC)
Hi, folks. The name is attributed to the Marquis de La Fayette on his 1824-25 tour of the United States. When he visited the (former) Pennsylvania Statehouse, he reportedly called the Assembly Room the "Hall of Independence" (or its equivalent in French), and the name eventually became attached to the entire building.[2] == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 17:20, 23 March 2018 (UTC)

When was it officially renamed Independence Hall?

1948, when the Park was created? I think it would be useful to know that. There is no “Independence Hall”, nor “Pennsylvania State House”, not under those names, on the National Register of Historic Places (see https://www.nps.gov/nr/research/data_downloads/Multiple_Links_2015.xlsx and https://www.nps.gov/nr/research/data_downloads/national-register-listed-properties-20171205.xlsx) deisenbe (talk) 13:00, 5 May 2018 (UTC)

The NY Times called it Independence Hall in a 1915 article (https://timesmachine.nytimes.com/timesmachine/1915/06/18/104647618.html) Independence Square was named in 1828 (ref above after Toqueville). deisenbe (talk) 20:18, 5 May 2018 (UTC)

The Seybert clock or Centennial Clock inside indepndance hall.

a few years ago i proposed making big ben and the Cenntennial clock ultra accurate.

since that time all information about the independance hall tower clock appears to be missing.

its a wonderfull double three leg escapement like big ben. but it appears to have gone missing from history. I considered adding the adjustments to make the centennial clock ultra accurate. but it has virtually gone missing from the web.

can wiki start a page to detail its history and chronicale its updates and repairs?

i know clocks are about a dollar a peice now.. but the precision mechanicalmclocks are still worth millions.. see exoencive watches. the tower clocks are only so accurate unless they are correctly adjusted. trinity college has done some work on its clock which is running above average.

it remains a very rare but interesting science, how to make mechanical clocks super accurate.

and i think we should charish the centennial clock which was donated. 

During the Centennial restoration project, a large bell (weighing 13,000 pounds) and a new clock were given to the City by Henry Seybert for the steeple of Independence Hall. This clock and bell are still in use.

http://www.ushistory.org/independencehall/history/indhall7.htm

btw the u.s. didnt pay him for 6 years.. 

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.197.63.153 (talk) 16:07, 7 November 2019 (UTC)

Infobox image

I am beginning a section here to discuss the infobox image. I am of the opinion that a wider image that captures a facade of the building in its entirety (like option 2) is more appropriate than a close up (particularly a close up with perspective distortion). @Randy Kryn: does not seem to share this opinion, ostensibly preferring option 1. Any thoughts? Filetime (talk) 04:39, 23 May 2021 (UTC)

Option 1
Option 2

Who owns it?

It is not often discussed, but my understanding is that it is not owned by the United States but rather by the state of Pennsylvania under the city of Philadelphia. The various routes of its Pedegree might make an interesting footnote. Perhaps someone can also answer the question of whether the clock is donated or on lease. Since there has been some discussion that modern clocks can be made more accurate. Such opportunities are so Bureaucratically complex that no one has ever attempted to propose it. -- Unsigned comment

The Commonwealth of Pennsylvania sold Independence Hall to the City of Philadelphia in 1818: https://www.nps.gov/inde/learn/historyculture/places-independencehall-assemblyroom.htm#. Text on the sale appears in the section "Transition to Shrine" Allreet (talk) 00:47, 25 October 2022 (UTC)
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