Talk:Ice hockey at the 2018 Winter Olympics – Men's tournament

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Qualification

What's the rationale for the ordering of the teams in the qualification table? It isn't alphabetical, but it also isn't the order in which the teams were ranked in the 2015 IIHF World Ranking. MrArticleOne (talk) 14:30, 17 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The rules are listed in detail and sourced now, hope that helps.18abruce (talk) 18:40, 17 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I confess that I still find it odd that the teams are not listed in the qualification table in the order of the IIHF World Ranking at the time they qualified. Thus, Canada, Russia, Sweden, Finland, USA, Czech Republic, Switzerland, Slovakia, in that order. Or, alternatively, listed alphabetically. It isn't important enough that I'm going to bother changing it, but I'm just trying to discern why this particular ordering was chosen. MrArticleOne (talk) 03:26, 20 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, I misread what your actual question was. The order was not chosen exactly, it was the order that they qualified. So in reality it will closer resemble the 2014 rankings because the leaders coming into 2015 were ahead and needed to achieve fewer points to qualify. Sweden and Finland were qualified upon announcement of the format, the others during the 2015 world championships. I don't think it really matters that much personally.18abruce (talk) 03:50, 20 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Oh really, wow, okay. I had no idea we had gone to the trouble of reconstructing the order in which the teams clinched a top-8 finish. That's really fine-grained! MrArticleOne (talk) 04:13, 20 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Incidentally, I understand what you mean about it not really mattering that much, but by the same token I was interested in figuring out who would have been at this tournament if Russia had been entirely disqualified, and when the 2015 IIHF World Ranking didn't match this list I was like, am I consulting the right list? Is the article wrong and it wasn't actually the 2015 IIHF World Ranking? Took me a while to figure out what was up. MrArticleOne (talk) 04:15, 20 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

It was kept track of as it happened with virtual values, which you can view on the qualification page history. Kind of like what is happening on the IIHF world ranking page right now.18abruce (talk) 04:28, 20 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Bracket

Has any consideration been given to using a bracket that shows the teams' seeds? The text helpfully describes the Group D/Group E/Group F system that the tournament uses, but doesn't visualize it in the bracket above. MrArticleOne (talk) 03:28, 20 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

OAR team being linked to Russia's national team throughout the article

Considering that Russia was banned from the competition, and the OAR name and Olympic flag is used instead, shouldn't we avoid linking OAR to the Russian national ice hockey team page throughout the article? 2001:14BA:8300:0:0:0:3:7431 (talk) 01:49, 24 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The Russian national team article is where we currently are covering the OAR team. It will probably be split out to its own article at some point, but that is where the information about the OAR team currently resides. -DJSasso (talk) 01:57, 24 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Wouldn't this be a better article to link to even as of now? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olympic_Athletes_from_Russia_at_the_2018_Winter_Olympics#Men's_tournament 2001:14BA:8300:0:0:0:3:7431 (talk) 02:09, 24 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The russian national team page is where all russian IIHF participation is documented, so it is appropriate as the russian ice hockey federation were welcomed to the tournament and the IIHF endorsed their participation. However, since the IOC will not view this as a russian accomplishment or medal, it will need to be handled carefully, or eventually on its own page that is a link from the main russian page. Similar to the Unified team documentation. In the case of the Unified team the IIHF categorizes the placement of the team as "Russia" and attributes the olympic gold to russia, but notates the individual tournament as (unified team) in their summaries. And it was not Russia who qualified or was even the NOC at the games. It (OAR) is really ambiguous, with little hope of it ever being less so. And with zero true precedent to rely on. A long way to say that I agree with DJ I guess.18abruce (talk) 16:04, 24 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Djsasso and 18abruce:, now this anonymous user undoes edits and uses nonsensical comments in Russia men's national ice hockey team, could you help me please? Wikisaurus (talk) 08:26, 25 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

To explain this situation a bit further, the above user is trying to add OAR's gold medal to the Russian national team's page, while it is not officially counted by IOC. He has been trying to sneak the edit in a few times, which I've cleaned up, and ended calling me a russophobe and telling me "go to hell" in Russian via an edit on the article. There's a talk section for this, which can be found here. The OAR victory is already listed on the article ("representing OAR"), but is separate from the medals credited to the Russian team, much like with the EUN results. I'm unsure whether the "representing" bit should even be there. This is probably the wrong place to discuss this, though. 2001:14BA:8300:0:0:0:3:7431 (talk) 08:44, 25 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]