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Why isn't the wording consistent with R. Kelly?

From both pages:

Ian David Karslake Watkins (born 30 July 1977) is a Welsh convicted child sex offender and former musician.

Robert Sylvester Kelly (born January 8, 1967) is an American singer, songwriter, record producer and convicted child sex offender.

Shouldn't the order be consistent in both cases? Why aren't the crimes emphasized on R. Kelly's case but emphasized here? I'm asking this on both talk pages, why does R. Kelly get a different treatment on wikipedia? Koczwy (talk) 02:34, 24 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Short answer: because the people editing the two articles have made different decisions. The people editing the two articles are unlikely to be the same ones, and each has been assessed on its own merits, since we don't have rules on absolutely everything (and nor should we). See also WP:OTHERCONTENT. AndyTheGrump (talk) 03:47, 24 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, and this is why people do not take WP seriously. Because although there are policy, guidelines, etc set in place, it really just comes down to editors and their prerogative. WP editors will run policy into the ground even when common sense stares them in the face; but when glaring content mirrors policy and guidelines, they'll defend justification for discrepancy with see also "not one glove fits all" to give them a pass. This BLP only has an article here at WP for being the lead singer and frontman of the rock band Lostprophets. It's in his search title. He would have never received an article for his conviction; which is a "non-specific" at WP. The lede content states in order: singer first, sentencing second. To say this is any different than any other celebrity later convicted after notability of inclusion at WP is ludicrous. I am in agreement with you, Koczwy. It should read just like R. Kelly; who is not currently (and never will be again) singer, songwriter, record producer. If one defends that Kelly might get out one day and resume these jobs, the same can be said of Ian Watkins. There is no difference. The two are the same and WP:OTHERCONTENT does not apply. Period. Maineartists (talk) 00:30, 15 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Bad job to both of you. Maineartists, if you have an argument (about this article’s content, not about consistency across articles) for why the lede should describe Watkins as a sex offender, please make it! Zanahary (talk) 06:03, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Please reverse the order: former musician and convicted child sex offender

Convicted child sex offender and former musician.

Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{Edit semi-protected}} template. PianoDan (talk) 20:41, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Please mark him as a convicted sex offender not just formster musician. 82.40.97.48 (talk) 05:11, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Charliehdb (talk) 15:17, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]