Talk:Hyochang Park

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The result was: promoted by AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 21:42, 30 July 2023 (UTC)

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Playing golf around the fenced-off tombs of royal family members

• ... that the Empire of Japan turned a Korean royal cemetery into a golf course at what is now Hyochang Park? Source: "Hyoch’ang Park’s history began during the Chosŏn era as royal graves for Munhyoseja—the first son of Chŏngjo, the 22nd king of Chosŏn—and his mother, Ŭibinsŏngssi. ... First, there was a movement to turn Hyoch’ang-won into a park by the Japanese because the place was well landscaped and had a pine forest. They began to use it as a space in the city for rest and leisure, and even set up a golf course (1921–1924) because of the hilly nature of the tomb area." [1]
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  • Comment: The image is published by the South Korean government and allowed for any kind of use as long as attribution is given. Sources: License is visible on the image page here [2] and description of license is here [3]. Here's some translations of relevant parts of license. In first section: "1. 온·오프라인을 통하여 공유 및 이용 가능 ... 3. 이 저작물은 영리 목적으로 이용할 수 있습니다." -> "1. This image can be used on and offline ... 3. This image can be used for commercial purposes". In the second: "저작물의 출처를 표시하셔야 합니다." -> "You must indicate where the work comes from". The rest of the license is stuff like "don't misrepresent the information" or disclaimers about govt liability.

5x expanded by Toobigtokale (talk). Self-nominated at 00:31, 18 July 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Hyochang Park; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.

• @Toobigtokale: Hook interesting and cited in-text to reliable sources. Article is well cited and has been 5-times expanded. Image good and appears in the article. No copyvio and no QPQ needed. Good work and a really interesting hook! :3 F4U (they/it) 23:00, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

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In 1921, the Empire of Japan turned a Korean royal cemetery into a golf course at what is now Hyochang Park. The tomb of Royal Noble Consort Uibin Seong was left directly on the course; it can be seen in the center of the picture, with a fence erected around it. Two Korean children dressed in white can be seen caddying for two golfers. A significant majority of players who used the course were Japanese. After the liberation of Korea in 1945, the park was turned into a memorial for Korean independence activists who resisted the Japanese colonization of Korea.

Photograph credit: unknown; restored by Adam Cuerden

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GA Review

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Nominator: Seefooddiet (talk · contribs) 19:04, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

Reviewer: Ca (talk · contribs) 11:40, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

Hello—I'll be reviewing this. From a quick glance, the article looks solid. Every claim has a corresponding inline citation, and the coverage is detailed with a plethora of sources. There are some instances of awkward prose that should be rectified however.

Spotchecks

• The area of the park is 12.3307 hectares (30.47 acres). A large pine forest is present on the grounds. ✓ Pass
• During the Japanese colonial period, the name of the area was changed to Kuyongsan'goji (구용산고지; 舊龍山高地) ✓ Pass
• It was a nine-hole golf course designed by a British person and operated by a nearby hotel. ✗ Fail The source states that it was designed by a group of British advisers, not a singular person. I recommend finding a higher quality source for this claim. Edit: the 한겨레 source says it was built by a 영국인, singular, so a more authoritative source is needed.

• The last Crown Prince of Korea Yi Un played at the course✓ Pass

• The Hyochang Park Martyr Memorial Society (효창공원 순국선열추모위원회) was established on March 10, 1978. Beginning in that year, the organization has held an annual memorial ceremony for independence activists on April 13, the anniversary of the establishment of the KPG. ✗ Fail? The cited website is simply the "서울의 공원" and there is no info on the society or the ceremony.

• The heavily cited journal Buildings is a MDPI journal, but the two authors seem to be professors with long tenure. I'd treat like WP:EXPERTSPS.

• At the time, it was the largest green space in Seoul. In 1915, the Yongsan police department held a ceremony for their new chief in the area. ✓ Pass

• In 2002, the Kim Koo Museum was constructed in place of a tennis court during the Kim Dae-jung administration.✓ Pass

• However, its construction was met with some pushback by sports organizations. ✗ Fail I don't see any mention of sports organization or even any pushback in the cited article

• In 2005, President Roh Moo-hyun announced a plan to demolish the stadium and turn the park into a more dedicated memorial space, but the plan faced opposition and was eventually scrapped✓ Pass I did edit the sentence a little bit for clarity and to make it more in line with the cited source.

Copyedits

• The park currently functions as both, although the majority of people may mostly know the park as a leisure space. The tone in this sentence confusingly sounds both certain and uncertain.

• To its east is Sookmyung Women's University Reference point is ambigous between the park and the stadium.

• Jeongjo wanted the location of the grave to be auspicious and close to the palace. I think a simpler word than auspicious could be used here.

• A temporary grave for An Jung-geun is located right next to these three, but it lies empty as of 2021, as his remains have yet to be recovered. My Korean is admittedly rusty, but I don't see any mention in the sources that the grave is "temporary" in some way. It looks like the grave is reserved more than anything. If it is the case I recommend rewording to "An empty grave for An Jung-geun is located close to the three graves, as his remains have yet to be recovered as of 2021."

• The golf course was closed in 1924. I think you should add the 'why' here.

reference ideas

• [4]
• [5]
• <한국골프 100년사>, referenced at [6]

Misc.

• All images appropriately licensed, found no copyright issues when spotchecking, Earwig negative, article stable.

Discussion

Hello, thank you for the review! Sorry for the delay in responses; just got back to the U.S. after traveling. I made some changes, but some of them I have some responses to.

• For the British person point, that was a case where I put the wrong ref there; I meant to put the Hankyoreh ref. The previous ref there doesn't say that British advisors designed it, it says that they built it; there's thus no contradiction.
• The tone in the first sentence I think is logically fine; it is definitely both a memorial and leisure center, but likely more people think of it as a leisure space.
• Both the park and stadium are west of Sookmyung; I modified wording to make clearer
• I can't identify a good simpler synonym for "auspicious"; "lucky" sounds too informal.
• Finished the change for An Jung-geun grave
• For closing in 1924, it's not clear to me why it closed. The three sources given just say that it did close in that year, and that a flood happened in 1925 (likely unrelated to the closing) and that eventually the area was made into a park. There's no casuality clear to me.
• For the ref ideas, [1] feels somewhat minor to me; about stray cats in the park. [2] is behind a paywall. [3] if you're referring to the book mentioned in the article I'd have to order it and pay for overseas shipping.

Please let me know your thoughts, thank you! seefooddiet (talk) 00:58, 18 January 2025 (UTC)

Thanks for addressing my concerns. 👍 As for the ref ideas, they are sources that I found while doing independent source-searching, so you don't have to include them.

If you want, here is a unpaywalled version of [2]: [7] Ca ^{talk to me!} 01:37, 18 January 2025 (UTC)

I'll incorporate [2], give me a bit seefooddiet (talk) 01:52, 18 January 2025 (UTC)