Talk:Hydrangea

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Discussion

I'm thinking of purchasing some Hydrangea Macrophylias of different colours.

Do these flowers start off at a height of 4 foot or are they much smaller?

Nick —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.35.200.223 (talk) 19:28, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Nick--this talk page is reserved for discussions about the content of Wikipedia's Hydrangea page. There is a forum web site that would better meet your needs: [1].Pinethicket (talk) 21:55, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Clarification of pruning and subsequent flowering timing

I am "reporting" a confusion to the reader (me). I do not know the correct information, but my point is that my desire for the information was not addressed by the currently present text.

Under "Cultivation and uses"

..... Some are best pruned on an annual basis when the new leaf buds begin to appear. .... Other species only flower on 'old wood'. Thus new wood resulting from pruning will not produce flowers until the following season. ....

It is very important to know which "some" are and which "other" are. It would be great if someone who knows this information and/or can provide links to the information could contribute it.

JaySmithWiki (talk) 14:15, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

JaySmithWiki, I think this USDA page found in the references could provide you enough information to make some edits, if you were inclined, or at least give you some additional info. --76.115.3.200 (talk) 17:21, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

Colors and Acidity Section

The article references this USDA page, which says the following about color and acidity:

Flower color in H. macrophylla is dependent on cultivar and aluminum availability. Aluminum is necessary to produce the blue pigment for which bigleaf hydrangea is noted. Most garden soils have adequate aluminum, but the aluminum will not be available to the plant if the soil pH is high. For most bigleaf hydrangea cultivars, blue flowers will be produced in acidic soil (pH 5.5 and lower), whereas neutral to alkaline soils (pH 6.5 and higher) will usually produce pink flowers. Between pH 5.5 and pH 6.5, the flowers will be purple (see image at left) or a mixture of blue and pink flowers will be found on the same plant.

Looking at the other citation, from U of Georgia:

Research has determined that the actual mechanism of color variation is due to the presence or absence of aluminum compounds in the flowers. If aluminum is present within the plant, the color is blue. If it is present in small quantities, the color is "in between," and if it is absent, the flowers are pink.

Soil pH indirectly affects flower color by affecting the availability of aluminum in the soil. When the soil is acid (pH 5.5 or lower), aluminum is generally more available to the roots. When the soil is neutral or alkaline (pH 7.0 or higher), the availability of aluminum is decreased and flowers are more pink.

Both resource seems to contradict the claim of "very pale cream petals" for neutral pHs (in H. macrophylla), yet are used as citations. I wanted to note this before making changes, in case there's something I'm missing (I'm not exactly a flower biochemistry buff). --76.115.3.200 (talk) 17:21, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

I'm also not an expert, but it clearly depends on what other colors are produced by the plant. If it's not making any red pigment, then without blue it will be cream; if it does, it will come out pink. So they're not entirely contradictory, it's just that red is controlled independently of the pH. KarlM (talk) 19:05, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

Possible Addition to Fossil Record and Cultivation and Uses

I came upon some information that I thought would possibly enhance the article on the two subheadings:

Fossil Record

The longest record of a Hydrangea's longevity can date back to 40 to 65 million years ago.

Cultivation and Uses

Hydrangea's tend to grow notably when rooted in a environment surrounded by fertile, well-drained soil. Hydrangeas do not thrive under harsh, warm climates instead they receive their nourishment from partial to fully shaded areas. Hydrangeas can be exposed to a direct sunlight if it is placed in a rich and moist soil.

Haley-Hernandez (talk) 21:23, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

References

Name

Etymology

Hydrangea is derived from Greek and means ‘water vessel’ (from ὕδωρ húdōr "water" + ἄγγος ángos or αγγεῖον angeîon "vessel"), in reference to the shape of its seed capsules. The earlier name, Hortensia, is a Latinised version of the French given name Hortense, honoring French astronomer and mathematician Nicole-Reine Hortense Lepaute. Philibert Commerson attempted to name the flower Lepautia or Peautia after Lepaute. However, the flower's accepted name later became Hortensia. This led to people believing Lepaute's name was Hortense, but the Larousse remarks that this is erroneous, and that the name probably came from hortus, garden.

This section contradicts itself. It starts by telling us that "Hortensia" is named after Nicole-Reine Hortense Lepaute, then immediately tells us that this etymology is a mistake. Two people have clearly added text, the second not knowing (or caring) that what they've added contradicts what's already there. ~~ Bibliosporias (talk) 20:11, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

medical uses of hydrange

helps in kidney disease Bgvgiridharbvrm (talk) 15:08, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

“you are the beat of my heart” / tan jun yong

No clear evidence online to suggest that this phrase is attached to hydrangeas in Asia, and no citation for that section, although I’m not certain enough to remove it altogether and don’t want to speak for another culture.

Certainly the “celebrated Korean florist” Tan Jun Yong and his remark about “the light delicate blush &c” appears to be a fabrication. No wikipedia page/link for them, cannot find any mention of them online besides pull quotes/borrowed information from this page (blog posts, florist websites, etc).

This entire section was added by a user in May 2011 with no citation. A citation was then added in 2018, but the reference is an online magazine article that has clearly borrowed much of its information and wording from the wikipedia page.

The information has been in circulation for so long and repeated so many times that I’m wary to go in and remove it myself in case I’m missing something, but would suggest a more knowledgable horticulturist/wiki editor might want to take a look! Praxitella (talk) 03:18, 18 October 2024 (UTC)

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