Talk:Hounslow West tube station/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: Epicgenius (talk · contribs) 15:28, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)
It is reasonably well written. a (prose, spelling, and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists): It is factually accurate and verifiable. a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR): d (copyvio and plagiarism): It is broad in its coverage. a (major aspects): b (focused): It follows the neutral point of view policy. Fair representation without bias: It is stable. No edit wars, etc.: It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate. a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
Overall: Pass/Fail:
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Prose, POV, and coverage

Lead:

• in Hounslow of the London Borough of Hounslow - I would either clarify what Hounslow is, e.g. "in the town of Hounslow within the London Borough of Hounslow", or just replace "of" with "within". In either case, this sounds strange because "Hounslow" is repeated here, and the first mention is the town while the second instance is the borough.
  •  Done London is weird, but I have tweaked it :D
• Opened as Hounslow Barracks - When did it open?
  •  Done Added year :)
• it was initially served by the District Railway. The Piccadilly line was extended here in 1933, and District line services were fully withdrawn in 1964 - I would suggest mentioning how the District line was related to the District Railway. It's implied that the District line served the station first as part of the District Railway, and this is the first mention of the District line.
  •  Done
• which resulted in its platforms being relocated - "which resulted in the station's platforms being relocated". Otherwise it's a dangling modifier that refers to the Picc's extension to Heathrow.
  •  Done

Vincent^LUFan (talk) (Kenton!) 04:53, 3 October 2020 (UTC)

Location

• where it was a reference for part of the old name of the station - I wonder if this can be rephrased, e.g. "which served as a reference for part of the old name of the station", or "to which part of the station's old name referred".
  •  Done Vincent^LUFan (talk) (Kenton!) 04:53, 3 October 2020 (UTC)

History

• It was named in reference to the Cavalry Barracks, Hounslow south of the station on Beavers Lane - Cavalry Barracks, Hounslow was already linked in the Location section, so it may be unlinked per WP:OVERLINK.
  • No problem! Settled.
• Services were only a shuttle to Osterley & Spring Grove, - for the first 2 years (21 July 1884 to 31 March 1886)?
  • Yes indeed.
• The DR took over all of its railway services in 1903 - was the branch still a shuttle? I assume so.
  • Yes, largely remained a shuttle since District Railway services mainly went to Richmond, Wimbledon and Ealing.
• with its alignment reconfigured to three platforms - "with the station's alignment"
  • Pardon me; I just wanted to avoid using the station too often HAHA
• District line services were progressively reduced to rush-hour services in the late 1950s - rush-hour only?
  • Check!
• The line was planned to be extended from Hounslow West to serve Heathrow Airport since the 1960s. - I think there is an inconsistency in verbs here: "was" refers to a single time point in the past but "since the 1960s" indicates that the past tense verb should be continuous. It should either be "An extension of the line had been planned [...] since the 1960s" or "The line was planned to be extended [...] starting in the 1960s".
  • All set.
• groundbreaking ceremony by Sir Desmond Plummer - Out of curiosity, was he the host, the actual "groundbreaker", or just an attendee?
  • The book mentioned him cutting "the first sod" so yes he was the actual "groundbreaker". Also inside the book mentioned a rumour that the sod was put back in to wait for a convenient time for construction OMEGALUL
    • Heh. That might be an interesting anecdote to add, but it would make the article seem kind of unbalanced. epicgenius (talk) 17:03, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
• The new rerouted tracks meant that the existing had to be reduced to single track operation until the station approach - From which point until the station approach? Was only one track at the station being used at a given time?
  • The single track thing was just right before the station, and yes cuz the other track was obstructing the site for the new alignment. You can refer to the diagram in "The station today". Vincent^LUFan (talk) (Kenton!) 05:05, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
    • I see. epicgenius (talk) 17:03, 3 October 2020 (UTC)

The station today

• Portland stone was used for the facade, strengthened by a reinforced concrete base. - Perhaps the first paragraph can be split here, so there are separate paragraphs for the architects and the design.
  • I prefer it to be kept the way it is if that is fine with you? Cuz I reckon that if I split it I doubt the paragraphs would be that balanced. Vincent^LUFan (talk) (Kenton!) 05:19, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
    • On second thought, keeping it this way is actually better. epicgenius (talk) 17:03, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
• In addition to its drum shape being heptagonal, its ceiling contains this pattern - The ceiling has the same pattern as the side walls of the ticket hall?
  • No, I mean the ceiling has like a heptagonal shaped "tiling" (I don't know what word to use for ceiling patterns, or I can say motiff) Vincent^LUFan (talk) (Kenton!) 05:19, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
    • Yeah, you can say "motif". epicgenius (talk) 17:03, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
• The station is a Grade II listed building. - I would personally mention this before going into the specifics of the design, though it's fine in its current position too.
  • I see your perspective. For me, I usually put it last because it's like an award status (plus lots of Holden stations are listed so it isn't surprising xD) Vincent^LUFan (talk) (Kenton!) 05:19, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
    • I understand. I personally think it's important enough to put earlier, but I see why you have it this way. epicgenius (talk) 17:03, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
• The history section mentions that the old platforms were demolished and infilled for a car park. The diagram in this section indicates that it is southeast of the current station. Is the car park part of the station premises as well, or is it separate?
  • Yes, it covers the entire yellowish green area (#colourblind problems) highlighted in the diagram. Vincent^LUFan (talk) (Kenton!) 05:19, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
    • I see. Can this fact, about the car park being part of the station and southeast of the platforms, be added to the prose text as well? Alternatively, can you add alt text to the diagram? epicgenius (talk) 17:03, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
• However the artwork was never installed - Was there a specific reason for this? I understand if there's no info about it.
  • Unfortunately I do not. Vincent^LUFan (talk) (Kenton!) 05:19, 3 October 2020 (UTC)

Services and connections

• Services going via the Terminal 4 loop continue as a service to Cockfosters - Is note 5 necessary? I assume we can just mention this in the prose. I'm looking at a related good article, Boston Manor tube station, which says 12 tph eastbound to Cockfosters or Arnos Grove; 6 tph westbound via the Heathrow Terminal 4 loop; 6 tph westbound to Heathrow Terminal 5. On that note, I assume that some eastbound trains from Hounslow West also short turn at Arnos Grove.
• Similarly to the Boston Manor article, can the Night Tube frequencies be mentioned here?
  • (To both) Yes sure! I have a better idea. I'll move the note, and just say via the T4 loop instead 4 & 2,3 for consistency. I'm forgetful, so sure thing! I have added Night Tube frequency here. Vincent^LUFan (talk) (Kenton!) 05:24, 3 October 2020 (UTC)

Notable commutes

• Since this is just one sentence, I wonder if this can be merged as a subsection of the history section.
  • Imo, it is really awkward to place it in the history section at its current state unfortunately as the timeframes are not congruent (inconsistent). Vincent^LUFan (talk) (Kenton!) 05:54, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
    • Looking at it again, you're right. epicgenius (talk) 17:03, 3 October 2020 (UTC)

References

• I would suggest moving references 1 and 2 (currently "Step free Tube Guide" and "Standard Tube Map") from the lead to the body. This fact is already mentioned in the body.
• For reference 4 "Boston Manor tube station" (Map). Google Maps. - I would use {{google maps}} instead of {{cite map}}. Same for reference 7 "Google Maps" (Map). Hounslow West Station.
• Reference 37 Hounslow West Underground Station - Bus should probably be formatted into a full citation.
• All other references are OK. Reference 29 Constance, Don (3 May 2018). "Hounslow West ticket hall". Flickr. is acceptable, though if there is a better source that describes the ticket hall in detail, it should replace the Flickr source. I see a little detail here (actually the current reference 5) that can supplement the Flickr reference.
  •  Done The reason why I used the Flickr reference is to show the Passimeter mainly, which is not mentioned in the other references. Wow, I didn't even know the Google Maps template exists. Vincent^LUFan (talk) (Kenton!) 05:53, 3 October 2020 (UTC)

Images and copyright

• The image captions in the "History" section shouldn't have periods per WP:CAPFRAG.
• The diagram in "The station today" is a very good illustration.
• The copyright violation detector found no issues.
  •  Done Thank you! I am honoured to hear that :D Vincent^LUFan (talk) (Kenton!) 05:32, 3 October 2020 (UTC)

General comments

•  On hold epicgenius (talk) 16:13, 2 October 2020 (UTC)
  • @Epicgenius: WEWWWW I think I have addressed all of them :D Vincent^LUFan (talk) (Kenton!) 05:54, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
    • @Vincent60030: Thanks for your responses. There is only one remaining issue, which concerns clarification of the diagram. I would suggest, but not require, adding alt text to the other images as well. epicgenius (talk) 17:03, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
      • Ah, I’ll work on it. :D Vincent^LUFan (talk) (Kenton!) 08:40, 4 October 2020 (UTC)
      • I hope the alt text of that diagram is fine now. The other two diagrams in the history section I haven't a clue what to write XD Vincent^LUFan (talk) (Kenton!) 09:48, 4 October 2020 (UTC)
        • It looks great. For the images in the History section, I think the captions are good enough to use as alt text. I'm going to pass this article because I'm satisfied it meets the GA criteria. epicgenius (talk) 16:30, 4 October 2020 (UTC)