Talk:Homeland Movement (Croatia)

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The source for "far-right" is an opinion piece (which we don't use for statements of fact anyway, per WP:RSEDITORIAL) from September 2019 about some far-right individuals supporting Škoro's bid for president, and not about the political position of the "Homeland Movement" party that was created in March 2020, so that obviously cannot be a source for defining their political position. The rest of my edits are changes in accordance with the cited sources and removal of WP:OR, as explained in edit summaries, so I don't see what's problematic there. Tezwoo (talk) 23:13, 28 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

There are multiple sources claiming exactly that. Also about populism and other stances. On the other hand there is no source claiming that DomPok is a green or environmentalist party, but somehow it was added. That is now removed. --Tuvixer (talk) 10:43, 29 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Reuters doesn't call them far right, and the far-right stance is the only one I removed for the reasons I explained. If there are more sources then there won't be any problem in finding them and adding them to the article. That was only a small part of my edits.

There are other sources that the party puts an emphasis on environmental policies, such as these [1] [2] Tezwoo (talk) 15:50, 29 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

https://www.vecernji.hr/vijesti/uskoro-uzivo-u-studiju-vecernjaka-dragan-bagic-i-damir-jugo-analiziraju-stranacke-liste-za-sabor-1410473

That would be your interpretation, and primary sources. --Tuvixer (talk) 16:13, 29 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Please stop edit-warring, if you are going to continue to wage edit wars then please seek consensus somewhere else. --Tuvixer (talk) 16:16, 29 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

And that source is an interview: "Interviews are generally reliable for the fact that the interviewee said something, but not necessarily for the accuracy of what was said." per WP:INTERVIEW. And when you mention edit warring, it seems to me that you are on your third revert in 24 hours per WP:3RR.

Since you reverted all of my edits and not just the removal of an opinion piece from September 2019, what else do you find contentious? Tezwoo (talk) 21:38, 29 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

First you need to stop edit warring. This kind of disruptive behavior shows bad faith on you part. Please stop edit warring. After you stop edit warring we can have a civil discussion, that is going to be tainted by your disruptive behavior. --Tuvixer (talk) 07:11, 30 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Tuvixer you made a mistake, it is an IP address from Serbia [[3]] , who deliberately intervened to quarrel the two of you, perhaps from some users here, he not trying to avoid the 3RR you made a mistake and now they have punished him 48 hours for not being guilty, please fix it there where you reported it.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.136.48.115 (talk) 13:46, 30 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The Washington Post and The New York Times both published an article by The Associated Press which says "The right-wing Homeland Movement, which is led by folk singer Miroslav Skoro". AP, WP, and NYT are listed as reliable sources under Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Perennial sources.

For Croatian Sovereignists (they are in the coalition), SeeNews says "conservative Croatian Sovereignists", and not far-right. Tezwoo (talk) 15:05, 4 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Respectable sources presented by editor Tezwoo claim that this movement is right-wing Homeland Movement. And we must respect sources. I suggest a compromise ie that right-wing fact remains in the article and for "far-right" fact if quality sources emerge we can discuss it on talk page, until then that information should not be part of the article. Mikola22 (talk) 17:45, 4 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Three users have now expressed their disagreement with the far-right label, which is used by neither Reuters nor The Associated Press (published by The Washington Post and The New York Times). Tezwoo (talk) 22:36, 4 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Again you show bad faith by stating that 3 users agree to exclude far-right, when it is only you and Mikola22, or you have predicted that I am going to agree?? If AP states that that they are right-wing than OK, just AP in the same article states that MOŽEMO! are liberal, maybe they meant social liberal. I also don't know how would you "lable" Hasanbegović he is not right-wing. --Tuvixer (talk) 07:22, 5 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

There are reliable sources which describe the Homeland Movement as far-right: [4] [5].--WEBDuB (talk) 10:37, 5 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Koreanovsky was the third user. Hasanbegović has his own party (BZH), he is just in a coalition with DPMŠ.

The 1st link, FT, is an op-ed. The 2nd link, Euro News, calls them both far-right and right-wing in the text. In another article from today they call the party just right-wing [6]. Europe Elects in the newest article also states right-wing [7], as well as WP [8] and NYT [9] in two additional new articles. The prevailing description is currently right-wing. Tezwoo (talk) 11:36, 5 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

There are more sources: [10] [11] [12] [13] [14] [15]. Furthermore, Florian Bieber, one of the most relevant experts focusing on Balkans, classifies the movement among the far-right [16]. I think it would be only correct to describe the political position of the Homeland Movement as “right-wing to far-right.”--WEBDuB (talk) 21:56, 5 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I agree --Tuvixer (talk) 14:34, 6 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Of the sources you listed only DW is a RS, but some reliable sources that reported on the outcome of the election did label them as far-right, so I'm fine with this now. Tezwoo (talk) 22:27, 6 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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I would like to correct the number of seats in the parliament. It's not 10, it's 16. YankeeDoodleDoo (talk) 10:24, 16 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Naypta ☺ | ✉ talk page | 22:54, 16 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

color

I never saw this hue of purple that is currently at {{Homeland Movement (Croatia)/meta/color}} as the color for this in sources - their logo has red and blue on white, while the mainstream Croatian media usually seemed to have used grey to designate them and their candidates, e.g. see the same sources as I posted at Talk:Bandić Milan 365 - Labour and Solidarity Party#color. I'll change it to grey. --Joy [shallot] (talk) 16:04, 7 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Color

Hi! As you can see from the note in my edit 1218259154, there are plently of sources showing that most of the mainstream media (RTL, Nova TV, Index.hr, Telegram & more) uses some shade of grey to depict DP. The purple isn't used and doesn't make much sense for the party. I ask that an editor who has the authorization changes the party color back to grey. If it is seeked to ensure the ability to differentiate the party from independents who grey is also used for, I propose a darker shade of grey is chosen like in some of the media sources.

(PS: To correct myself, I don't think the shade of purple is ugly, it just looks very weird next to actual DP colors and the colors of other parties, personally :) And is it gotten by mashing blue, red and white?? I don't see the logic, sorry) CroatiaElects (talk) 20:52, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]