Talk:History of Crystal Palace F.C./GA1

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Reviewer: Casliber (talk · contribs) 22:14, 9 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Given that I am reviewing the parent article and will be reading both of these anyway, I will digest and review this one as well so can get a fairer idea and familiarity of the whole. Comments below. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 22:14, 9 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Thanks Cas Liber. I'm in and out of Wikipedia at the minute but I will try to keep as in as possible. Weekends are bad for me. Hiding T 14:48, 10 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  - My free time is patchy too - I think I will review this one first as it'll give me a better handle on what the parent article should summarise afterwards. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 21:38, 10 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

*When a league re-organisation occurred in 1920 and a new Football League Division was formed featuring the majority of the Southern League Division One the club became founder members and inaugural champions of the Football League Third Division. - I'd reword this, a bit hard to follow....

- I hope I have addressed this, see the rewrite in this edit. Hiding T 08:11, 11 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

*If you can think of another verb to use instead of "relegate", it'd be good for the prose to slot it in occasionally....

- Cut relegation usage back by about half, see this edit. Hiding T 11:37, 11 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

*The first 1.5 paras predate 1905 in the first section (titled 1905-20). It leaves me curious as to why there is no link to the former club (only 40 odd years, so surely folks involved in the latter talked to folks from the former....) given the identical name. Is there more discussion in the source? Maybe move the first 1.5 paras into a section called Background and formation or somesuch...

- There's no discussion in the source, there are very little records on the original club and no evidence of a link between that club and the Crystal Palace itself beyond the name has been established in written records. I've rewritten the text to better reflect the sources, a lot of the text was originally merged from the 1861 club's article. See this edit. Hiding T 10:40, 11 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The idea of a club at Crystal Palace was first proposed in 1904 by the Crystal Palace Company. - err, no it wasn't as one existed 40 years before. I'd remove the "first" here..
- Done in edit which also addressed the background and formation, here. Hiding T 10:42, 11 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Double check that you link to other articles once at first instance - also check that unusual things are linked to (e.g. other clubs etc.)
- Is it still good practice to link once per section or do we now link just once per article? I've made a start on this with more to follow, do you have anything specific? See what I've done so far here. Hiding T 12:31, 11 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  - Generally once in the lead and once in the body of the prose. One might link a second time in the body if the two mentions were quite far apart. Will look for specifics now. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 13:58, 11 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    - I've done more work in this edit, does that address everything to date? Hiding T 18:14, 11 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
      - I'm just reading again now. I'd seen something when reading from my smartphone and scanning again.....Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 21:39, 11 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

~~Who is Conner? link or explain.....~~
- It's a red link at the moment, I've tweaked to allow a link and an explanation and will create the article later. Hiding T 07:11, 12 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
on 'gardening leave' - link or explain.....
- Linked. Hiding T 07:11, 12 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
~~Actually I just realised the playoff vs play-off has both spellings about the place....and just realised the official site likes the hyphenated form (facepalm...) - do you have a preference?~~
- I see you've gone without a hyphen, I'll check what is most common usage and amend as necessary later. Good catch. Hiding T 07:11, 12 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  - Sky Sports, the BBC and The Guardian all go hyphenated so I think I've amended them all to hyphens. Hiding T 13:14, 12 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
~~Might be prudent to use "second tier" or "third tier" etc. when talking post 1992 and before the renaming to Championship, League 1 etc. to less confuse unfamiliar readers....~~
- Done. Hiding T 13:14, 12 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Images are copyright tagged, and non-free images have fair use rationales:

not hugely convinced about the need for an image of di Stefano, but I appreciate it can be hard adorning some of these articles with enough appropriate images.

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- looks all in order now. Maybe get another lookover and have a crack at FAC. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 08:02, 13 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]