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Pronunciation (yet again)

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Should definitely start "hɑr", contain "t", then probably "fəd", and end "ʃɪər" and "ʃər" (or is it "ʃə"?). (Though my other half will always argue that it should be "ʃaɪər"!) Please discuss :-) –anemoneprojectors– 20:02, 13 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Concur. I would say your "middle" option, "ʃɪər". — | Gareth Griffith-Jones |The WelshBuzzard| — 21:02, 13 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I've lived in Hertfordshire my whole life and I hear both "ʃɪər" and "ʃər", locally and on TV, though "ʃɪər" seems a lot more common. –anemoneprojectors– 21:31, 13 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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Hertfordshire, Eastern England

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Some editors seem to think Hertfordshire is in southern England, when it is not. It is officially part of Eastern England. So it seems now we are defining borders and regions of the UK by where they appear to be. Hull looks like its in the north east of England, so shall we say it is? No, because it's in Yorkshire and the humber. Nuneaton looks like its in the eastern part of the midlands, so shall we say it is here? No, we couldn't possibly, because its in the West Midlands of course. The thing is, you have to go by proper borders because it is like having a war between which place is in which region, if you don't follow borders then everyone's map of the UK looks different, and therefore it is imperative there will be arguments as to which region a place is in. This article should say Hertfordshire is in the East of England, otherwise it's wrong, and you could argue that it is in either. Stick to the official regions and the problem is solved--2A02:C7F:C802:4000:4D1C:C33C:E0DE:F85A (talk) 23:38, 4 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Why are you comparing a county with towns? You make no sense at all. — Gareth Griffith-Jones | The Welsh | Buzzard |  09:57, 5 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I've got a question for you, '2A02...': what part of England is London in? I assume you must agree that London is in England, so whereabouts is it? Dubmill (talk) 10:47, 5 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

London is in the London and South-east England region, so south-east England or southern England is appropriate. Also, I knew you were going to say that about comparing it with towns. It doesn't matter. Lets say Somerset is in Western England, well then no its in the south-west. If your going to say Herts is in Southern England, then why isn't Somerset also southern England?

NORTHERN ENGLAND - COMBINES NORTH EAST, YORKSHIRE AND HUMBER AND NORTH WEST ENGLAND

SOUTHERN ENGLAND - COMBINES LONDON AND SOUTH EAST AND SOUTH WEST ENGLAND

EASTERN ENGLAND - EAST OF ENGLAND ONLY

THE MIDLANDS - WEST AND EAST MIDLANDS

WESTERN ENGLAND - NON EXISTENT

generally however, an article should use the correct region and be specific rather than use simply southern England.2A02:C7F:C802:4000:59E:16EA:2F31:FFC (talk) 03:13, 6 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Somerset is in southern England, but south-west England would be more specific.
I think the problem with Hertfordshire is that including it in 'East of England' may work for statistical purposes but it's geographically counterintuitive. The county, especially the western part of it, is just a bit too far west for that classification to make sense when viewed on the map. I think it's an anomaly. Another thing is the history. I think I am correct in saying that Hertfordshire was part of Mercia, so quite distinct from the areas to the east (Essex and East Anglia). So that makes 'East of England' both geographically and historically counterintuitive. I still maintain that a vague description ('southern England') is more suitable in this case than using the statistical region. In fact I would go further and say there should be no blanket policy of using the government regions to describe the geographical locality of places. The region should of course be mentioned, and in many cases it would be perfectly satisfactory as a geographical identification, but it should not be used as the sole descriptor in anomalous cases where it confuses the reader. Dubmill (talk) 10:48, 6 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

So the county a place is in HAS to be correct, whereas the region can be chosen, that makes no sense at all2A02:C7F:C802:4000:3959:6240:B401:62F1 (talk) 17:31, 6 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

In addition, Bedfordshire is stated as the East of England in the article2A02:C7F:C802:4000:3959:6240:B401:62F1 (talk) 20:17, 6 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I can't be bothered arguing with you any more. I've explained why I think a nuanced approach is better in this particular case than what you propose. This is because an anomaly results from Hertfordshire being placed in a grouping that it doesn't really belong to for both historical and geographical reasons. But at the very least, if you want a regimented system in which counties are strictly described by official statistical region, in this case it should say 'is a county in the East of England region of England'. It should NOT say 'is a county in the East of England'. Dubmill (talk) 11:02, 7 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Hertfordshire is in Southern England, it's also in the East of England region, but what it's not in is East Anglia. I've seen it sometimes placed in the East Midlands, which is definintely wrong. I don't think there's any need to change anything in the article's lead section, is there? I assume that's what this is about. anemoneprojectors 20:09, 22 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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