Talk:Heptagram

See also?

Why does this page have a see also to Week? The two subjects don't seem connected on any level other than dealing with groups of seven, and we don't have a link to the seven dwarfs either. Vashti 07:53, September 12, 2005 (UTC)

Yes, I agree. I took it out. --Abdull 17:28, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Obtuse/acute heptagram?

I have never heard of these terms. They are misleading, as there are no obtuse angles in the "obtuse" one. Google of "Obtuse heptagram" returns this WP article and ones like http://hpathy.co.uk/Seven.html, http://www.crystalinks.com/numerology3.html, etc - hardly authoratitive. Got a better reference? Otherwise we should refer to these labels as non-mathematical. Andrew Kepert 07:40, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Should we perhaps refer to them as "narrow" and "broad" heptegrams? I think we need to come up with some way to distinguish between the two.

*Septegram*Talk*Contributions* 14:21, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

I have no loyalty to the terms, not seen them any where else. Whatever name is used, best to me to use the Schläfli symbols {7/2}, {7/3} with them. Tom Ruen 15:14, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

I changed them in the article to first and second. I see better terms, more verbose might be "first stellation", "second Stellation", at least by a stellation process of extending facets of a regular polytope. The terminology is used for polyhedra, like Magnus_Wenninger#Stellations_of_dodecahedron. Tom Ruen 15:21, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

I like the term "nth Stellation", and Stellation contains sufficient (if untidy) mathematical explanation for the interested reader to save it being explained here (e.g. what the Schlafli symbol means in this restricted case). So I would use these terms in the bullet list.

Oh yes, and s/authoratitive/authoritative/ above. 8-P

Andrew Kepert 08:51, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia should not be an advertisment

There are a few that use a heptagram in their logo. If they were internationally known (i.e. Maersk), maybe, it would be note worthy, but WP should not be used for a method of advertisements. My company uses a heptagram and do not believe it should be included in WP until it does something significant.Septagram (talk) 01:20, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Just a suggestion Heptagram Cyberglobe Networks. If you use a large red blinking scrolling headline, it would be even more noticeable since you are already on line one >;-).Septagram (talk) 02:21, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

How can we help Joshua Jude realise what he is doing? Clearly, removing his self-promotion entries is not enough, and amazingly he even has the cheek to say that doing such is vandalism!

Joshua, if Heptagram Cyberglobe Networks has anything going for it, then let somebody else say so. It was terribly placed at the top of the article. I'm glad to see that you now put it further down the page, but of all the cultural connections, your HCN (formula for (hydrogen)cyanide don't you know...) thing is probably the least relevant. Probably best to delete it and concentrate on your project away from Wikipedia. If you do well, maybe somebody else will want to write an article about you. That's surely what all this is about. Would you like it if everybody promoted themselves all over Wikipedia? Tomid (talk) 20:13, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Maybe Joshua would be happier if he started his own WP page dedicated in depth to his company. This WP page may actually get in his way of his message.Septagram (talk) 04:01, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

If he starts its own page, it will most likely be deleted anyway. Someguy1221 (talk) 04:21, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

Septagram or Septegram?

Which is correct? 87.116.189.219 (talk) 02:51, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

Neither. —Tamfang (talk) 00:44, 6 August 2011 (UTC)

I'm not sure why not, Tamfang. I believe septegram is at least as acceptable as "heptagram," deriving from the Latin "septem" for "seven."

*Septegram*Talk*Contributions* 01:53, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

Taking a quick look at my classical dictionaries, I find many Greek compounds beginning hepta– and a few Latin compounds beginning septem– or septi–, but no septe– (excepting that thou then proceed to m). So septe– may be in some sense acceptable, but I'm not aware of any evidence that it is accepted.

Besides, gram is a Greek element and goes better with a Greek prefix. —Tamfang (talk) 08:20, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

Sheriff's Badge

From the article: "The heptagram is also used in Christianity to symbolize the seven days of creation and became a traditional symbol for warding off evil, thus the reason that most sheriff's badges are first heptagonal shaped."

Other than speculation, does anyone have actual authority for the two assertions here? The first being that sheriff's badges bearing a heptagonal shape are so, because it is a traditional symbol for warding off evil, and the second being that "most sheriff's badges are first heptagonal shaped." The 7 point badge is used more out West, but in the Midwest, South, and New England, 5 and 6 point badges are much more popular, or even shields. For example, one of the first sheriff's offices in the U.S. uses a 6 point badge: http://www.firstsheriff.com/

Seems this is merely speculation by someone who lives in a jurisdiction where the sheriff has a 7 point badge. 69.135.185.154 (talk) 00:10, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

In my limited experience (mostly in California), seven-point stars are more often used by city police, six-point by sheriffs. —Tamfang (talk) 00:43, 6 August 2011 (UTC)

And five-point stars by deputies or marshals in Western movies. —Tamfang (talk) 08:21, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

Should Math information be in this article?

I recently removed math information (reverted by User:Septagram) because, so far as I know, mathematicians don't use the word "heptagram". It isn't used in Coxeter "Regular Polytopes", which is the standard reference. Looking on the web, it is in Mathworld but the vast majority of references are occult or "New Age". It's an obvious coinage similar to "pentagram" (which Coxeter does mention) but that too is mainly an occult symbol (all the OED references are occult). Neither Heptagram (nor Septagram) are listed in the OED so I think it's a fairly new coinage, or perhaps just a confusion with heptagon. So I'd like to remove the math information from here, though there should be a prominent link to heptagon which obviously covers the math stuff. However, given his username User:Septagram may be more of an expert on this than I am. Regards. Dingo1729 (talk) 17:11, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

Removed: In culture (modern)

I moved this section below from the article. I figured better to keep it here. There's unlimited potential references, and I don't know any good reason to reference every possible usage. The only clear use I can see if they represent unique occurance of interesting geometric variations. If other article reference heptagram on Wikipedia, they can be found from Special:WhatLinksHere/Heptagram. Tom Ruen (talk) 00:47, 1 June 2012 (UTC) Modern:

• The rock band Tool has been known to use an irregular heptagram star on-stage and as part of their ToolArmy logo.
• The artist/band Marilyn Manson has used the heptagram in several of his logos and on the official Marilyn Manson message boards.
• The logo of the shipping company Mærsk is a white heptagram on a light blue background.
• Delta Tau Delta fraternity incorporates a seven-pointed star into its symbols.
• The Mazda Miata had a 7 spoke wheel design which is technically a heptagram. Uncommon on vehicles.
• The California Highway Patrol uses a seven-pointed star in its insignias and badges. The specific shape varies somewhat; the badge shape is close to a regular heptagram.
• The Polish black metal band Behemoth uses a heptagram as its symbol.
• In AceHack, a variant of the computer game NetHack, magic heptagrams are used to ward off most monsters.
• Louise Cooper used a seven-pointed star in her book series, The Time Master Triology, to represent the seven lords of order and chaos. The star can be seen on the cover of The Outcast.
• The appears frequently in the Naughty Dog game Uncharted 3: Drake's Deception.
• San Francisco Police department — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.54.172.133 (talk) 14:20, 17 May 2013 (UTC)

References

Removing Unsourced Item

I removed

The seven-pointed star included in the Kingdom of Pentorotise flag, is also the symbol for medical emergency response.

added by the single-edit user 72.162.8.230. Google returns zero hits for "Pentorotise," and the other is questionable too.

*Septegram*Talk*Contributions* 04:13, 19 July 2014 (UTC)

Symbol of Chaos

 I recall reading a book on Chaos Magic that mentions the 7 pointed star (7/3 specifically) within a circle as the Chaos Star. Havent been able to find a online reference for it but Im sure someomes got better Web-Fu than I.98.112.131.150 (talk) 21:12, 26 November 2014 (UTC)

Edited the 7/2 should have been 7/3 98.112.131.150 (talk) 21:14, 26 November 2014 (UTC)

Removed another thing

I removed the Mention of william sunshine, as the artist who made the album seems to be uncomfortable with ADM now. It's a genuine trigger to him and should not be talked about. 2601:203:101:2090:24C9:7471:3C6B:ABA9 (talk) 07:36, 6 March 2023 (UTC)