Talk:Hampton-on-Sea

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A fact from Hampton-on-Sea appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 10 March 2010 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that the last inhabitant of drowned settlement Hampton-on-Sea was retiree Edmund Reid, previously Metropolitan police head of CID who investigated the Jack the Ripper case?

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Drowned or submerged or something else

Should the lead say drowned or submerged? The Oxford English dictionary says the meaning for drowned is submerge or flood (an area) i.e. "when the ice melted the valleys were drowned" however this is not a common term in British English, in fact drowned is normally related to deliberately kill (a person or animal) by drowning as per the Oxford English dictionary. User:Storye Book says in his reversal of my change to submerge that "Drowned" implies destruction, because the houses were completely demolished. However drowned does not mean this, as per the Oxford Dictionary description. So should the lead say something else? Davidstewartharvey (talk) 15:47, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

English is a complex and subtle language, and always depends on context. Dictionaries may assist, particularly in scientific and legal matters, where certain words have precise meanings in those contexts. So let's think about the context. Submerging simply means the act of putting something in water such that it is entirely covered. That did not happen with the houses in the article; they were demolished before the sea completely flooded the area in which they stood. The fact of the settlement - i.e. the site, the buildings, the people, the life that went on there - was drowned, i.e. all life was taken away from it by the water. "When the ice melted the valleys were drowned" is a common enough expression for English speakers to understand. To drown, in many contexts, is to destroy, as in "drown one's sorrows in drink". The primary scientific meaning of "drown" is the manner of death by water as used by coroners, but the word can be used in many other ways. The difference remains, though: drowning is destructive. Submerging just means going underwater, like free divers. You can say that a free diver submerged and then drowned due to an additional event or circumstance, but submerging in itself is not destructive. If we used "submerged" in the header, it would mislead the reader into thinking that the buildings were still there. Storye book (talk) 10:06, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]