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Melania Trump

Isn't Melania Trump of Gottscheer heritage? 173.88.246.138 (talk) 02:31, 30 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

No, she is not. Doremo (talk) 04:05, 30 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I've never heard of such claim. Viator slovenicus (talk) 11:57, 30 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Merge proposal

@Doremo and Viator slovenicus:

I propose merging Gottschee into Gottscheers. As it currently stands, both pages have near-identical histories, with the only large difference being the excellent tables and sourcing on the page for "Gottschee". German Wikipedia already has these two pages combined into its own page for Gottscheer, which I see as efficient and effective. I've already composed a combined page using elements from both current pages, and see ways in which the new "Gottscheers" page might be expanded to include geographical and further cultural information not provided in either current page, based on information in Karl Schemitsch's "Das war Gottschee".

My combined page (which I'd be happy to share for feedback) would transfer and make use of the very expansive citation page on "Gottschee", and include the tables present in that article. I sincerely believe that this would be for the better, considering the current similarity and heavy overlap between the two pages. Warm regards, Theodore Christopher (talk) 15:56, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge is a reasonable suggestion; however, if this is done, I would prefer merging Gottscheers into Gottschee instead. The Gottscheers article is quite history/geography-oriented and quite light on information about the Gottschee Germans as an ethnic and cultural group. I feel that the merger Gottschee → Gottscheers would create an extensive geography/history article titled with the name of an ethnic/cultural group. Doremo (talk) 15:27, 20 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I see where you're coming from, but in my view, the page for Municipality of Kočevje provides an opportunity for geographic specificity. As it stands, both Gottschee and Gottscheers provide only a historical-geographic overview, and if they were merged into Gottschee, there would be two ostensibly geographical articles about the area (Municipality of Kočevje and Gottschee), and no explicitly culture- or ethnicity-focused article, and the cultural/ethnic identity of the Gottscheer people is what made them unique, at least in my view. I also have some resources that could also assist me in composing a "culture" section of the article.

Either way, the name of the page isn't a dealbreaker for me. I'm just going off of the example provided by German Wikipedia, which I view as a sort of exemplary article on the topic of the Gottschee. Theodore Christopher (talk) 14:42, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Theodore Christopher: there seems to be sufficient support for you to proceed, if you already have the joint article drafted ... Klbrain (talk) 17:54, 27 December 2024 (UTC), [[]][reply]

Got it…I was actually just thinking about this. I've just been busy for a while. Theodore Christopher (talk) 21:15, 28 December 2024 (UTC) Theodore Christopher (talk) 21:15, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

At this point, I'd prefer that they be kept separate (cf. Germany vs. Germans, Bavaria vs. Bavarians, Swabia vs. Swabians, etc.). The Gottschee article could be edited to primarily focus on the region, and the Gottscheers article to primarily focus on the ethnic group. Doremo (talk) 18:27, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'd say the crucial difference here is that there are no longer any of Gottscheers in the region formerly known as Gottschee, which is now a geographic subdivision of Slovenia. The only other example of a page dedicated to a "former place" which was since irreparably altered due to resettlement which comes to mind for me, notwithstanding sites of colonization outside of Europe, would be Königsberg vs. Kaliningrad.

This stands in contrast to Germany vs. Germans or even German Hungarians vs. Swabian Turkey. The only remaining part of the Gottschee, as it were, are the Gottscheers, and ethnic groups are generally afforded distinct pages. I will say that I am less opinionated about this than I was last spring, though. Theodore Christopher (talk) 21:43, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]