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Requested move 15 June 2016

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: Moved. (closed by a page mover) Omni Flames (talk) 07:44, 23 June 2016 (UTC)


God of War (PlayStation 4 video game) → God of War (upcoming video game) – Per WP:NCVGDAB, the platform in a title is only used for ports and remakes; as this God of War will be a new entry, the year of release should be part of the title. As there is no release date known, it should be called "upcoming" in the meantime. Compare Unreal Tournament (upcoming video game) and Doom (2016 video game) and the move discussion. soetermans. ↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK 14:08, 15 June 2016 (UTC)

  • Oppose - I am not in favor of the move. Though other articles may have done it, I don't feel that "upcoming video game" is good for an article title. PlayStation 4 in the title (until the definite title or release year is known) better clarifies its distinction from the original game in my opinion. --JDC808 ♫ 20:21, 15 June 2016 (UTC)
There's WP:CONSISTENCY for a reason. God of War happens to be for one platform, for upcoming multiplatform games we wouldn't use something like "Tomb Raider (PlayStation 4 and Xbox One video game)" either. That you don't "feel" it is good is kind of saying WP:IDONTLIKEIT. soetermans. ↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK 21:15, 15 June 2016 (UTC)
That gives even better reason to keep PlayStation 4 for the time being. It's an easier identifier for people searching for the game, and it lets people know that it is still an exclusive, as opposed to a multi-platform game, which could be inferred from just having "upcoming". --JDC808 ♫ 17:09, 16 June 2016 (UTC)
You're just going to ignore WP:CONSISTENCY? And "it is still an exclusive"? Are you suggesting that it might become multiplatform? And that the reader might start to think it will be released for several platforms? This is still WP:IDONTLIKEIT. soetermans. ↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK 18:27, 16 June 2016 (UTC)
I don't think it will ever become multi-platform, but who's to say it won't? Who's to say that Sony won't decide to sell it one day? I am going to ignore WP:CONSISTENCY here because that isn't necessarily always the right solution. I'm thinking about the reader here, not some guidelines, which aren't set in stone. And yes, there are readers who may think it could come to Xbox or even PC. I've seen it countless times. --JDC808 ♫ 19:23, 16 June 2016 (UTC)
Alright, that is a weird reverse form of WP:CRYSTAL; because it might happen you are against having "upcoming" instead of "PlayStation 4"? This make no sense. The upcoming The Legend of Zelda game wasn't called The Legend of Zelda (Wii U video game)" either. What Wikipedia readers think that? How do you know this? I appreciate your hard work on the God of War articles, but you're just ignoring guidelines that are based upon consensus because of your own personal preference, without pointing to any guidelines. That sounds like WP:OWNERSHIP to me. soetermans. ↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK 19:44, 16 June 2016 (UTC)
I wasn't talking specifically about Wikipedia readers. I was talking about people all over the internet in gaming forums, etc. And for a guideline, WP:BOLD. There are many things I disagree with in regards to Wikipedia "policies" and "guidelines". Naming conventions are one of them. It's not OWN, it's a disagreement that the articles must be one way because it's apparently "consistent". --JDC808 ♫ 19:59, 16 June 2016 (UTC)
"People all over the internet in gaming forums"? That's as vague as it is WP:OR. What does WP:BOLD have to with it? Wikipedia is not a free-for-all; there are guidelines like WP:CONSISTENCY, which you can't just ignore. And yeah, to me that is WP:OWNERSHIP, because you fail to bring up a single valid guideline and are just saying what you personally like best. soetermans. ↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK 20:15, 16 June 2016 (UTC)
No where on WP:NCVGDAB does it say that "upcoming" is to be used for upcoming games. Upcoming is not even mentioned on there. You're basing CONSISTENCY on a disambiguation guideline that doesn't exist at the current moment for upcoming games. If it does exist, please link the correct one. --JDC808 ♫ 20:48, 16 June 2016 (UTC)
I'm basing WP:CONSISTENCY on similarly titled articles, like the ones I've mentioned. You're right, WP:NCVGDAB doesn't say anything about "upcoming", but it so clearly about the function of a platform in the title (emphasis mine):
2. For original video games: Disambiguate using numerics and subtitles when part of the official title (...). Further disambiguation can be made by appending "(video game)" or "(YEAR video game)".
3. For platform-specific remakes/ports: Disambiguate by appending "([platform])" to the title (...)
God of War is a new original game, not a remake, where the platform disambiguation is for. That's being consistent. soetermans. ↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK 21:26, 16 June 2016 (UTC)
Support, it's going to be moved to God of War (2017 video game) or God of War (2018 video game) eventually, so the PlayStation 4 disambiguation was never going to stick anyway. —Flax5 13:23, 16 June 2016 (UTC)
Let me rephrase: the platform-based disambiguation wouldn't stick. "Upcoming" is closer to what the final title will be, as dictated by the manual of style, and won't lead to editors getting confused and thinking platform-based disambiguation is policy. —Flax5 17:25, 16 June 2016 (UTC)
How is "upcoming" closer to the final title? If "God of War" ends up being the final title, PlayStation 4 would stick more as people who aren't new to the franchise will more than likely call it "God of War PlayStation 4" or "God of War PS4", or they'll just revert to calling it "God of War 4". --JDC808 ♫ 17:39, 16 June 2016 (UTC)
It's closer because "upcoming video game" and "201X video game" are both based on time of release and the former will naturally be resolved into the latter. You're correct that most people think of games in terms of platform rather than release date, but that gets cumbersome fast when disambiguating games available for multiple platforms, and it seems weird to make exceptions. —Flax5 17:57, 16 June 2016 (UTC)
Just because it may seem weird doesn't mean it's wrong. --JDC808 ♫ 19:23, 16 June 2016 (UTC)
  • Weak support I agree that our VG guidelines suggest using "Upcoming" since the year is not yet known, but I would not be against the PS4 disamb. given that this is the only platform it will be out on and the only GoW originally targeted to the PS4. --MASEM (t) 20:43, 16 June 2016 (UTC)
  • Neutral The title, (assuming it's final and doesn't get subtitles in the future) will just be changed to God of War (201? video game) when the date is known. So for now, I don't think it should matter. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 03:25, 17 June 2016 (UTC)
@Masem: and @Dissident93:, what about WP:CONSISTENCY? Before a release date was known, and before the subtitle Breath of the Wild it had "upcoming" in the title, and not something along the lines of "Wii U video game". So does Unreal Tournament (upcoming video game), which so far is PC exclusive. So did the multiplatform Doom (2016 video game). soetermans. ↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK 10:03, 17 June 2016 (UTC)
There's a guideline, and I can't remember the exact link for it, but basically, just because one article does it, doesn't mean others have to. How many times does this "upcoming" case actually happen? --JDC808 ♫ 12:08, 17 June 2016 (UTC)
Maybe you're talking about WP:OTHERSTUFF? That one is about arguments to avoid in deletion discussions though. soetermans. ↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK 12:54, 17 June 2016 (UTC)
Good point, perhaps we could just make that standard then? Don't think anybody would be against it. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 10:29, 17 June 2016 (UTC)
Hi @Tavix:, WP:NCVGDAB says that the platform in parentheses in the title is for ports and remakes, not for new and original games. Is deleting a redirect such a hassle? I would suggest redirecting to main series' article. soetermans. ↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK 20:24, 21 June 2016 (UTC)
Yes, redirects like these pop up at WP:RFD all the time, and I'd rather not deal with it again if we can help it. Just wait until a release date has been announced and move it to its permanent title then. If this is passed, the title will move twice instead of once, and I'd like to avoid bouncing around with a couple different titles. In the meantime, this is the best I can come up with, and I don't think it's confusing. -- Tavix (talk) 20:33, 21 June 2016 (UTC)
I don't think that is confusing either, but because it WP:DOESNTHURT doesn't mean we can't change it. If you would want to see WP:NCVGDAB changed we could try to find a new consensus of course, but you would rather not follow guidelines, just so you wouldn't have to deal with a possible RfD in the future? What's wrong with changing the redirect to God of War (series) if that were to happen? I also again have to repeat myself by pointing to the other video games with "upcoming" in the title, which would follow WP:CONSISTENCY. soetermans. ↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK 08:53, 22 June 2016 (UTC)
I think changing it to "upcoming" is worse than the status quo because we'll have to deal with the redirect once it's released (retargeting it to the series would be misleading unless there's another game upcoming). If you want to point to consistency, I'd instead argue that you should consistently not use upcoming for any games. At least with the current set up, you'd only have to update the title once, rather than twice if this proposal is passed. -- Tavix (talk) 15:58, 22 June 2016 (UTC)
So far you're only saying it will be a nuisance to fix the redirect. I'm starting to sound like a broken record, but did you happen to check out WP:NCVGDAB? The platform disambiguation in the title is intended for remakes or ports, not new games. That's why we've got LittleBigPlanet (2008 video game) and LittleBigPlanet (2009 video game) for the PSP. There are several articles that currently use "upcoming", like ones I've shown before. The PlayStation 4 exclusive Spider-Man (upcoming video game) also uses "upcoming". Like I said, God of War happens to be a PlayStation 4 exclusive, and that's why "PlayStation 4" seems like a good idea. But if this would be a multiplatform game it wouldn't have "(PlayStation 4, Wii U and Xbox One video game)" in the title. So if we're trying to be consistent, it shouldn't have PlayStation 4 in the title. I'm sorry that changing or deleting a redirect in the future might be a hassle, but I don't see why that should mean we shouldn't be consisted in article titles in the meantime. soetermans. ↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK 18:02, 22 June 2016 (UTC)
It's going to be moved, so what's the problem? I'm just pointing out the perils of titling an article with "upcoming." The title God of War (upcoming video game) is going to be deleted after this game is released, as they regularly are at WP:RFD, so fair warning. And yes, I would support that guideline being changed. -- Tavix (talk) 18:09, 22 June 2016 (UTC)
I would like to point out the guideline WP:COMMONNAME for Soetermans. Right now, "God of War PS4" is what this game is most commonly referred to as. Keeping "PlayStation 4" as opposed to "upcoming" would remain consistent with the common name. --JDC808 ♫ 19:06, 22 June 2016 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

Title

Before this turns into an edit war I'd love to know why the title is pending? I already deleted that portion once but my edit got reverted by JDC808 saying that "There are sources who have backed the title, but there are sources who aren't certain this is the final name." Ok, so what are those sources that "aren't certain" and why does their uncertainty justify to mention that the title IS pending? It doesn't make sense. If you mention something like that then you have to back it up AND there must be good a good reason for the source to base this is. Because for all I know the title of the game is "God of War" and multiple secondary sources confirm that based on what the primary source, Sony, has said and shown about the game (trailers, interviews, on the website). I have yet to come across an article that says that the game's title is "god of War" for now but is not final and that they know that because [insert reason here]. What is your source JDC808? It should be removed until it is certain that the title is a working title and not final.KingSiri (talk) 12:36, 17 June 2016 (UTC)

I agree. @JDC808:, per WP:BURDEN you can provide the sources, saying "there are sources" in an edit summary is not okay. That another sign of WP:OWNERSHIP. I again can compare the upcoming The Legend of Zelda; every single one since Zelda II had a subtitle, but we didn't use "title pending" either in the lead. And even if there are sources that say the title might change, why mention that in the lead, before platform, developer and publisher? soetermans. ↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK 12:52, 17 June 2016 (UTC)
I don't see how that's a sign of ownership when there are sources. I will provide them momentarily (there are a couple already sourced in the article). --JDC808 ♫ 13:25, 17 June 2016 (UTC)
To your credit, KingSiri, there are other articles who are claiming this to be the title (they are also already sourced in the article), but none of them have actually stated that Cory Barlog, Santa Monica, or Sony have actually confirmed the title to just be "God of War". --JDC808 ♫ 13:37, 17 June 2016 (UTC)
Also, the Zelda example doesn't really work here. All previous God of War's (except the original) have had a number or a subtitle. This one doesn't at the current moment and no secondary sources (at least that I have seen) have verified that any of the above primary sources have confirmed the title. --JDC808 ♫ 13:42, 17 June 2016 (UTC)
But come on, the sources you linked assume it. And I don't think that an assumption confirms this as a fact. All official sources title the game "God of War". In no way whatsoever is is it ever suggested that the title is pending. Also check: God of War listing on PlayStation Us website and the compare it to Spider-Man PS4 listing on PlayStation US website, Final Fantasy VII Remake listing on PlayStation US website and New Hot Shots Golf listing on PlayStation US website which all carry "Working Title" in their listings clearly indicating that the title isn't final, "God of War" does not.KingSiri (talk) 14:24, 17 June 2016 (UTC)
One of those sources I linked was written by the director of the game just a few days ago. You would think that he of all people would confirm the title, but all he says is "a new God of War". --JDC808 ♫ 17:00, 17 June 2016 (UTC)

hack and slash label

Why does this game not have one ? It should be qualified in this case since there's melee combo system in place much like the older games in the series ... 135.0.52.247 (talk) 21:44, 22 June 2017 (UTC)

Ref ideas

Just found this new interview. Hope it helps.Tintor2 (talk) 21:57, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

Thanks! I've been meaning to add more developmental information, but I keep getting side tracked by other things. Gonna try to get on this next week. --JDC808 ♫ 05:53, 20 January 2018 (UTC)
The game was also the cover story for the February 2018 issue of Game Informer. I have a copy if needed. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 05:24, 21 January 2018 (UTC)
Thanks. I have a friend who also has it. I'll probably borrow it from them. --JDC808 ♫ 05:30, 21 January 2018 (UTC)
No worries! I wasn't reading it thinking of additions in mind, but from what I recall, I don't think there wasn't much to add that isn't already here, or can't be found through online sources. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 06:00, 21 January 2018 (UTC)
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