Talk:Geogaddi/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: Spinixster (talk · contribs) 02:35, 3 March 2024 (UTC)

@Davest3r08: I'll be reviewing this article. This may take a while.

• Infobox and lead
  • As opposed to putting references in the infobox, I'd recommend switching it to prose in the body.  Done Davest3r08 >:) ^(talk) 21:03, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
  • It was released on 13 February 2002 in Japan, then five days later in Europe, by Warp. I'd rephrase it to something like It was originally released on 13 February 2002 in Japan and in Europe five days later by Warp Records. With this sentence, it is clearer that Warp is a record label. The sentence may change depending on who released the album in Japan (see Release section below)  Done Davest3r08 >:) ^(talk) 21:03, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
  • It was recorded between 1999 and 2001 at Hexagon Sun. I'd recommend expanding the sentence with details of Hexagon Sun (where is it, clarify that it's a studio, etc.) I'd also link Hexagon Sun.  Done Davest3r08 >:) ^(talk) 21:03, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
  • The album is darker in tone than their debut studio album Music Has the Right to Children, released in 1998. Per WP:SYNTH, I'd recommend rephrasing to imply that the band wanted a different approach to their previous album or the album is intended to be darker in tone (the quote does not say that it is meant to be darker in tone than the previous album), if that's what the sentence is based off.  Done Davest3r08 >:) ^(talk) 21:03, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
  • The album contains references to the Branch Davidians, Satanism, and numerology. This sentence can be expanded to include how these references are made.  Done Davest3r08 >:) ^(talk) 21:03, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
• Background and composition
  • Per Wikipedia:WikiProject Albums/Album article style advice#Background, I'd recommend reintroducing the duo and adding information regarding their previous records that correlates with this album.  Done Davest3r08 >:) ^(talk) 21:29, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
    • Does this prose work?

    • Boards of Canada are a Scottish duo composed of brothers Michael Sandison and Marcus Eoin (born Marcus Eoin Sandison), formed initially as a group in 1986 and later as a duo in the 1990s. They started making music during their childhood, using tape decks to do so. Boards of Canada takes their name from the National Film Board Of Canada. They released their debut album Music Has The Right To Children in 1998 to critical acclaim.

      Davest3r08 >:) ^(talk) 16:33, 3 March 2024 (UTC)

@Davest3r08, that works. Spinixster (chat!) 00:49, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

• • Boards of Canada have claimed that the title is a combination of different words with a particular significance, but also that they wanted listeners to decide on their own interpretations of the title as well as the album in total. I suggest making the sentence clearer, because the meaning of "with a particular significance" is lost on me. The original text seems to imply that they want listeners to decide on their own interpretations on the album only, unless I'm missing something.  Done Davest3r08 >:) ^(talk) 13:21, 6 March 2024 (UTC)
  • Michael Sandison, half of the duo, stated that much of the album features acoustic instrumentation, though it may not be immediately evident because of how processed and often faint it is, blending with electronic elements. The original text seems to say "previous records" and not this album specifically. Is there a source that says this album specifically? I suggest replacing the original source with that, if not, it would violate WP:SYNTH. I'd also rephrase so it's based on his point of view because currently it implies that though it may not be immediately evident because of how processed and often faint it is is a fact, which violates WP:UNDUE.
    • @Spinixster: maybe something along the lines of According to Michael Sandison, half of the duo, stated that a majority of the album features faint acoustic instrumentation? I read the source and it seems to only say that Geogaddi has acoustic instrumentation. Davest3r08 >:) ^(talk) 15:20, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
      •  Done Davest3r08 >:) ^(talk) 23:39, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
  • They additionally received the idea to make the total album length 66 minutes and 6 seconds from Warp Records president Steve Beckett, with his reasoning being to joke around with listeners and imply that the Devil had been involved with the album's production. This can be condensed to something like Warp Records president Steve Beckett also suggested to make the total album length... so that it's more concise.  Done Davest3r08 >:) ^(talk) 15:41, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
• Release
  • Do we know which record label or who released the album in Japan? I'd recommend adding it in.

This AllMusic page that is possibly about the Japan version claims it was released there by a label named Vivid. Davest3r08 >:) ^(talk) 13:36, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

I've gone ahead and added the source either way so I'm  Done— Davest3r08 >:) ^(talk) 14:05, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

• • Suggest merging the first two sentences and rephrase Warp as Warp Records as stated above  Done Davest3r08 >:) ^(talk) 14:30, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
  • Side F of the vinyl package, with the track "Magic Window" (which consists of nearly two minutes of silence), is uncut and contains a visible etching of a nude nuclear family.[10] The artwork of the album carries a distinct kaleidoscopic motif. The original source does not say this (it seems to contain only an image), so this would be a personal observation, violating WP:OR. I'd suggest adding sources that describe the album cover (see Blackstar (album)#Artwork and packaging, Future Nostalgia#Cover artwork and Vultures 1#Cover art for examples) or remove it entirely. I'd also move parts about the album cover somewhere else since it does not correlate with the release.  Done Davest3r08 >:) ^(talk) 14:30, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
• Reception
  • It'd be preferred to get what critics thought about the album rather than just a sum-up of what they said. The Professional ratings box has a lot of reviews, but most are not used in the section. See Vultures 1#Critical reception, Blackstar (album)#Critical reception and 1989 (Taylor's Version)#Critical reception for examples.

 Done Davest3r08 >:) ^(talk) 23:39, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

• Track listing
  • According to the source, the duo also produced the tracks. That should be clarified.

 Done Davest3r08 >:) ^(talk) 19:41, 3 March 2024 (UTC)

• Personnel
  • As opposed to using one source three times, you can do something like Lover (album)#Personnel and Future Nostalgia#Personnel and say the credits were adapted from AllMusic.

 Done Davest3r08 >:) ^(talk) 19:41, 3 March 2024 (UTC)

• Sourcing seems okay, no sources seem to be immediate red flags, I just have a few concerns.
  • I do recommend following WP:CITEVAR and make the style of the references consistent (some are missing authors, dates, publications, wikilinks to publications if there are ones, etc.) and switching primary references to secondary whenever possible.
    • @Spinixster:, I've opened a request for these sources, so it might take some time for me to reformat the citations.
  • What makes Speakeasy.org (reference 8) or its author a reliable source?
    • I've replaced that source with more reliable ones.  Done Davest3r08 >:) ^(talk) 13:21, 6 March 2024 (UTC)
  • Reference 5 is a compilation of interviews taken from different sources. I'd recommend replacing it with the original ones.  Done Davest3r08 >:) ^(talk) 13:21, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

Overall, the article has a lot of potential, but parts can definitely be expanded and changed. Source 2 (Stereogum) definitely seems like it could be used a bit more. I'll put this on hold for now. If you have any questions, don't hesitate to ask. Spinixster (chat!) 09:56, 3 March 2024 (UTC)

Sorry for chiming in while you are still in the process of editing the article, but I'd like to point out that per WP:NOTRSMUSIC, AllMusic genre listings are not reliable. Spinixster (chat!) 13:59, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

 Done— Davest3r08 >:) ^(talk) 14:15, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

Additional comments below.

• For the reception section, opinions should be attributed to the original critic. Ex: Comparisons were drawn between the album and Music Has the Right to Children, especially with both albums' cover art. > John Bush of AllMusic drew comparisons between the album and Music Has the Right to Children, including both albums' cover art.  Done Davest3r08 >:) ^(talk) 00:35, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
• It was also praised the use of samples, as critics felt that it fit the tone of the album. This is misleading, as only one critic has said this. And like above, opinions should be attributed.  Done Davest3r08 >:) ^(talk) 00:35, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
• Critics at Q compared Geogaddi to the album Drukqs by Aphex Twin. More information on why critics at Q compared the album to Drukqs would be nice, as currently there's no information as to if they compared it favorably or not and why they think the albums are similar, etc.  Done Davest3r08 >:) ^(talk) 00:35, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
• There are still a lot of sources that can be used for reception, like those listed in the Professional ratings table and perhaps the Stereogum source. You can include reception on songwriting, themes, composition, etc. Wikipedia:Copyediting reception sections and Wikipedia:WikiProject Albums/Album article style advice#Critical reception may also help here.  Done Davest3r08 >:) ^(talk) 16:50, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
• The AllMusic review says that there are samples in the album. Which songs used samples, if there are sources? I also notice some sources describe the composition/style of the album. This can be used for the Composition section, like Blackstar (album)#Composition and influences and Future Nostalgia#Music and lyrics. If there are sources, the compositions/styles of individual songs can be included, too.  Done Davest3r08 >:) ^(talk) 00:35, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

After these comments are resolved, I have no problem with promoting the article. Spinixster (chat!) 02:10, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

Okay, just one more tiny thing, I promise. Mark Robinson's Pitchfork review is unsourced, and you can add the Hexagon Sun detail in the body, too, so citations on the lead won't be needed per WP:LEADCITE. Spinixster (chat!) 01:11, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

Spinixster,  Done— Davest3r08 >:) ^(talk) 10:57, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

Alright, passing now. Spinixster (chat!) 11:25, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

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